Author: Keith Ian Price
Date: 15:01:07 10/11/98
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On October 11, 1998 at 14:01:14, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >On October 11, 1998 at 04:01:51, Keith Ian Price wrote: > >>On October 09, 1998 at 03:17:11, Harald Faber wrote: >> >>>On October 07, 1998 at 19:01:38, Keith Ian Price wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>Nunn-Match 40/120, 20/60 >>>>>>>> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >>>>>>>>1 HIARCS 6,P233MMX 2540 1½1111½1111½0½½11½11 16.0/20 >>>>>>>>2 CST Black,PII-400 2450 0½0000½0000½1½½00½00 4.0/20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>ELO performance difference Hiarcs P233MMX - CST PII400: 240 >>>>> >>>>>>>Performance on ICC was: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Opponents avg. rating: 2393 >>>>>>>CSTWin/BETA +19 =9 -38 total: 36% >>>>>>>ELO-Performance 2284 >>>>> >>>>>>I cannot believe that Cstalwin95 has only 2300 in serious games after seeing the >>>>>>results of Thorsten's tournament(Cstal has 6.5 out of 9) >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>Thorstens tourney results is like flipping a coin. EVERYTHING is possible. >>>> >>>>I think that the ICC games were blitz or rapid chess games, and CSTal does much >>>>better in games at tournament time controls than at blitz. Thorsten's tournament >>>>is at 40/120, and therefore his results are quite possible, although any single >>>>tournament should not be used as a measure of the strength of a program. >>>>kp >>> >>>Start reading above. The Nunn-Test, onem ay call it none-test, was played in >>>tournament mode. SO no excuses. >> >>Start reading above. "although any single tournament should not be used as a >>measure of the strength of a program": SO no unsubstantiated conclusions. The >>Nunn-Test you refer to was conducted between CSTBlack and Hiarcs. Hiarcs was not >>even in mclane's tournament, and mclane is using the Win95 version, so my >>statement that his results are quite possible still stands. Your conclusion that >>my statement was a defense for CST was incorrect. It was more a defense of >>Thorsten's reputation from an unwarranted attack in a forum in which he is no >>longer allowed to defend himself. > >I read the coin-flipping comment near to the time it was written. I didn't take >it as an attack. I took it is an acknowledgement that in a tournament you can >get lots of different results, due to random chance. > >I don't think it is an accusation that Thorsten is cheating, since I can't think >of a way you could cheat with a chess program that would require a coin. He >could have suggested that Thorsten picked book lines himself, but then why the >reference to the coin? > >bruce Well, I read it as saying that Thorsten wasn't operating his tournaments as they would normally be done. You may be right, however, as I didn't understand exactly what he meant to say. If Harald wasn't intending to make that assertion, then I apologize for misinterpreting it. I'm not angry with him, I just get tired of hearing that Thorsten isn't conducting a proper tournament, when there is no basis for the assumption. kp
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