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Subject: Re: wanted: perspectives on the future of chess

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:06:21 04/18/03

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On April 18, 2003 at 16:29:40, Alan Grotier wrote:

>On April 18, 2003 at 11:44:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 18, 2003 at 03:49:46, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>
>>>On April 17, 2003 at 00:35:03, andrew tanner wrote:
>>>
>>>>   I was wondering if people have come to the general consensus that computers
>>>>are increasingly becoming unbeatable and consequently the game may soon be
>>>>losing interest and support except for the famed "man v machine" contest. Of
>>>>course there will always be enthusiastic support from hobbyists, I am referring
>>>>specifically about the masses.
>>>>   Here is a typical scenario: A child plays his best friend and wins, then
>>>>proceeds to return home to his playstation where he gets clobbered even on the
>>>>easy levels by the tireless machine. Being a precocious youngster, he concludes
>>>>that "the only way to win is not to play" - excerpted from the movie "war Games"
>>>
>>>USCF membership has been on the rise for the past several years, despite the
>>>depressing (from a human's standpoint) results of high-profile human-computer
>>>games.
>>>
>>>I don't think computers are any more unbeatable to the average player than they
>>>were 10 years ago.
>>>
>>>-Tom
>>
>>
>>I think the _big_ problem is that computers are _not_ "good teachers".  A human
>>expert
>>(USCF 2000) can teach a beginner so much about the game, while the computer just
>>tears
>>his head off and tosses it into a sack.
>
>
>"Of course you do have a point" But I state honestly as an up and down 1500-1600
>player striving to improve,modern chess software including Crafy (A great
>program -Never understood why it is free) has help me do this enormously in no
>end of ways!
>I include in this statement also other non chess related computer learning
>tools.
>Yes most definately computer learning tools which includes chess programes DOES
>help the layman to improve.
>My problem has always been I travel a lot for business.Never been able to follow
>a 9 to 5pm or week day  schedual.
>
>Salut: Alan
>



There are lots of issues in becoming good at chess.

Definitely a computer will help you with tactics.  If you overlook a cheapo,
the machine will zing you for it.

Having a ready opponent is also useful.  You can play/practice whenever you
want, and you can pick the opening or whatever.

But a human is so far beyond a computer in the ability to teach you.  For
example, a computer might eventually teach you about a weak pawn, but only
because it continues to win them when you allow them to be created.  A human
could tell you _immediately_ what you did wrong, and why, and save you hundreds
of "training games" to pick up a well-known idea...




>
>>
>>This problem is _years_ away from any real progress...
>>
>>And until it is "fixed" the computers are not going to replace humans at all, in
>>terms of
>>playing chess.



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