Author: Tom Kerrigan
Date: 21:43:27 04/22/03
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On April 22, 2003 at 22:09:16, Aaron Gordon wrote: >On April 22, 2003 at 21:20:15, Eugene Nalimov wrote: > >>Here are *official* results for Spec2k. Please notice that Athlon benchmarks >>were submitted by AMD itself. >> >>http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2003q1/cpu2000-20030224-01964.html >>http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/res2002q4/cpu2000-20021202-01875.html >> >>So: base Spec2k for P4/3.06 is 1099. For Athlon XP 3000+ score is 995. Higher is >>better. >> >>Thanks, >>Eugene > >I've done official testing for AMD using AMD's methods. This was when I was >working on the optimized Quake 3 dlls. They had me disable everything in the >bios. This means the test took a pretty large hit performance wise. Why? I asked >AMD the same thing. They responded with, "Intel doesn't think it's fair, so if >we set the bios timings to the fastest settings possible we'd have a large >lawsuit on our hands and AMD doesn't need that". If you need confirmation of >what I'm saying email me at speedycpu@attbi.com and I'll give you the contact >information to the guy at AMD and he'll verify everything I've said. > >So, for a properly configured Athlon, my results are there and plain as day. >Like I said, run them yourself on the same systems I ran them on. I don't see how that works. Intel has the "performance at all costs" reputation for SPEC scores, even going so far as to use its committee clout to make profile-directed optimizations allowed for base scores, and now you're saying they use artificially slow memory timings? You can be sure that the competition (Sun, IBM, HP, etc.) runs their memory as fast as possible--is Intel going to sue them, too? Also, Intel submits slightly higher scores than Dell for the same processors. Does Dell also run its memory slow? And what would the charge be for this lawsuit, anyway? And besides, why do slow memory timings hurt AMD and not Intel? It's one thing to suggest that some sites might be somewhat biased in Intel's favor to get free stuff from them, but in this free-press society, not all sites can be biased, or it would be a major coup for the one that does the exposee. Besides, what benefit would aggressively anti-Intel sites (e.g., AMDZone) get from biasing their reviews towards Intel, and their reviews are remarkably similar to other sites' reviews. Suggesting that all hardware review sites are biased and that Intel, Dell, and AMD are all part of a conspiracy to artificially lower their own SPEC scores... did you forget your tin foil hat today? -Tom
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