Author: Harald Faber
Date: 05:39:18 04/25/03
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On April 25, 2003 at 05:56:21, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 25, 2003 at 05:33:24, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On April 25, 2003 at 04:19:36, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On April 25, 2003 at 04:04:26, Harald Faber wrote: >>> >>>>On April 24, 2003 at 04:01:14, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 23, 2003 at 16:53:03, Helmut Conrady wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 23, 2003 at 07:25:15, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Who suggested that Fritz 8.0023 be tested instead of the stronger Fritz 8.008 >>>>>>>version? >>>>>> >>>>>>What results suggest that Fritz 8.008 is stronger? I haven ´t seen something >>>>>>like that so far. >>>>>> >>>>>>Helmut >>>>> >>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?294063 >>>>> >>>>>8.008 scored better than 8.0023 against shredder with the same >>>>>conditions(drawbook). >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't like tests where all programs use the same opening book. >>> >>>What is bad in these tests? >> >> >>The programs don't play lines from their own opening books which include >>adjusted lines, opening lines the program "understands", plays well. >>IMO the method with a unique opening book is useful to find out which program >>plays which openings best. It might not lead to new insights. >>See: >>Prog A plays King's Indian vs. prog B. 10 different lines. Prog A wins by >>8.0-2.0. So prog A is stronger, right? Especially when prog A plays some more >>King's Indian lines vesus other progs who also fail to defend. Nonsense I say, >>when the other progs never play King's Indian from their own book. So what you >>learn is that progs B, C etc. don't play the King's Indian well with black. What >>is nothing new, because the King's Indian is already disabled in their own >>books. >>Cool test. >> >> >>>People who use programs for analysis may prefer these tests and not tests with >>>the original book. >> >> >>Those guys should prefer test positions. > >The problem with test positions is that they are not taken randomely from games >and it is hard to know what program choose better moves when humans (even with >the help of computers) do not know which move is better(otherwise correspondence >chess could be drawn in every game when both sides use computers). > >Uri Test positions can be classified, so no problem at all IMO.
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