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Subject: Re: Are over-optimistically evaluations stronger than realistic evaluati

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:56:45 04/27/03

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On April 26, 2003 at 19:15:04, Drexel,Michael wrote:

>Today I started an interesting experiment.
>A match Chessmaster 9000 against Shredder 7.04 in Chessbase GUI with
>over-optimistically settings for The King 3.23.
>With this settings The King engine evaluates his positions almost always as
>better for himself, except it is completely lost.

You are overlooking a key point.  The alpha/beta algorithm is relative to
the initial score.  If a program starts off at +3.0, and another program
starts off at 0.0 in the same position, the two programs can play
identically.  All alpha/beta tries to do is maximize the raw score at the
root, whether it is +3 or -3 is irrelevant...


>
>Surprisingly a 30 game match ended:
>Chessmaster 9000 - Shredder 7.04:  15.5-14.5 (+12 =7 -11)
>5 min, AMD 2200+, ponder off, Remis.ctg, alternate colours
>
>I told The King that the own qeen is better than the opponents qeen, the own
>rooks are better than the opponent rooks, the own bishops are better than the
>opponent bishops and so on...
>
>Its over-optimistically evaluations dont hurt at all.
>
>The evaluations were way off but it nevertheless won the match and played a lot
>of exciting games although it lacks resistance in worse positions.
>Chessmaster played very strong in positions it had an advantage.
>
>Therefore I think it should be a good idea to have completely different
>evaluations.
>For clearly better positions an optimistically evaluation (Shredder obviously
>has very high scores in such positions) and for worse positions a more realistic
>evaluation.
>
>Michael



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