Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 01:31:43 04/29/03
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On April 28, 2003 at 20:05:24, Terry McCracken wrote: >On April 28, 2003 at 19:27:44, Jim Bond wrote: > >>On April 28, 2003 at 17:17:02, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On April 28, 2003 at 15:33:25, Jim Bond wrote: >>> >>>>On April 28, 2003 at 14:02:18, Brian Thomas wrote: >>>> >>>>>1. No (same exact file) >>>>>4. In theory, No. >>>>> >>>>>That's all I know :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On April 28, 2003 at 13:51:04, John Rice wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>1. Has the engine changed from the lokasoft version? >>>>>>2. Has the opening book changed? >>>>>>3. Do the ficher time controls work correctly now? >>>>>>4. Is it stronger than the lokasoft version? >>>>>> >>>>>>I ask the questions because I have the lokasoft version and would only consider >>>>>>buying the CB version if the answer to questions 1,3 and 4 are Yes. >>>>>>Thanks >>>> >>>>Hi Brian, >>>> >>>>From what I know the openning had changed to the Chessbase version and Christoph >>>>Theron said the overall CB CT15 package is a little strong due to CB's better >>>>book learning algorithm but not the engine itself. I bought the CB version >>>>recently and although it is a strong engine, I have not been super impressed by >>>>it because it has not been beating other engines like Fritz 8.008 or Shredder >>>>7.04 or even the King 3.23 with modified settings. Unless there is going to be >>>>a much stronger upgrade soon (which I have been waiting Christoph to announce), >>>>for the money, I would wait for Junior first which is supposedly coming in May. >>>>CB Chesstiger 15 is not a good buy if you want improved strength given you have >>>>the lokasoft version already. >>>> >>>>Jim >>> >>> >>>Not exactly accurate. >>> >>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?294737 >>> >>>Terry >> >>Well, your results on a PIII 500Mhz were: >> >>Default, Blitz:4'+2" 0 >>1 Shredder 7.04 +13 +36/-32/=32 52.00% 52/100 >>2 Chess Tiger 15 -13 +32/-36/=32 48.00% 48/100 >> >>I am not saying CT15 is weak but I always find that it is not at the top but >>Shredder 7.04 usually is and Fritz 8.008 usually is number two. Shredder >>usually does not score well in Blitz time control like this; however, as you >>demonstrated for youself, Shredder still won the match. You would tend to find >>that Shredder score even better in longer time control. >> >>When I first bought CT15, I wish it could beat the xxxx out of other engines >>like Fritz or Shredder but I was dissappointed. It just couldn't no matter how >>faired I tried. >> >>It goes deep very fast, but I think it occassionally misses some subtle >>variations and don't usually pick them up again as it goes deeper where Fritz >>usually can pick those up more consistently. >> >>I also found that CT15's time control is not as good as CM9000. It often ran >>into time trouble even when it has the advantage and ended up losing on time. >>The response time during last minute should be faster. >> >>Jim > >When the match is so close, and I did watch many of the games, I felt the >programmes were roughly equal, and this win is still only a marginal win for >Shredder. > >As for longer T/Cs I really don't know....it would have to have at least 100 >games to begin to mean anything and I only have this computer to work from, for >the time being. Certainly I'm not going to run a 100 game match from _one_ >machine at 40 in 2! > >IMO Fritz Shredder and Tiger are all very powerful engines, even on a slow PIII >500:o) > >I'd guess 2450-2550 tops. On a top Athlon or PIV maybe 2600-2700 tops. > >Terry Just to provide all of you with an estimate strength of CT15, today I decided to start a match CT15 Vs Fritz 8.008 on an Athlon 1200 GHz with 256 MB, using the exact time control as the SSDF testers: [TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:20/3600"] very soon you will be able to compare them. Jorge
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