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Subject: Re: wrong solution from chess programs ?

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 06:55:17 04/29/03

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On April 29, 2003 at 09:22:21, phili_ppe wrote:

>Problem from Bruno Fargette, dedicated to Camil Seneca.
>from book : "150 problemes d'echecs" by Camil Seneca.
>
>Without the rook at d6 the sole move of black would be Bxf2 then Nxf2 mate.
>
>Try number 1
>1. Qb1 ?   Rd2+ !	2. Kxd2 ? stalemate
>		2. Kb3	Rd1 !	3. Kb2	Rd2+ !	4. Ka1	Rd1 !! and White is in zugzwang
>
>So the goal is to reach the same position ***with black to move***
>
>Try number 2
>1. Kb2 ?	Rg6 !	2. Ka1	Rxg4	3. Qb1	Rxa4+	4. Kb2	Rb4+	5. ... Rxb1 and Black wins
>
>Try number 3
>1. Qe4 ?	Rb6 ! and the white king cannot move to a1
>
>SOLUTION  (I do not give variations because there are too many in my book) of
>the author :
>
>1. Qb3 !!	Rd7   2. Kb2 !   Rd8   3. Ka1 !   Rd7 !   4. Qc2 !   Rd1+   5. Qb1 !
>Rf1 (c1)
>6. Kb2   Rd1 !   7. Qc1 !   Rf1   8. Kc2 !   Re1   9. Nxe1 !   Bxf2   10. Nxf2+
> Kg1   11. Ned3 #
>
>This is the theme of the reciprocical zugzwang
>
>Note : the 2 first moves are wait moves.
>
>*** Remark about programs solvers or infinite analysis ***
>none of them (Yace, SOS, ChestUci, Crafty) found the solution. They announce
>mate in 10 with 1. Qe4   Rb6.
>Here what I did : I played these 2 half moves (so it must be now a mate in 9,
>right ?). I used Ruffian (as white) in infinite analysis.
>When Ruffian searched up to 22 plies, it did not announce any mate, just a
>decisive advantage for white.
>So I would like to have a absolute opinion about this problem.
>
>Thank you.
>
[D]8/1Q6/3r4/p7/P5N1/5NPp/2K2Ppr/6bk w - - bm Qb3



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