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Subject: Re: Engines for deep analysis?

Author: Jonas Bylund

Date: 04:38:14 04/30/03

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On April 30, 2003 at 07:08:25, Peter Berger wrote:

>On April 30, 2003 at 05:29:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 29, 2003 at 17:52:27, Peter Berger wrote:
>>
>>>On April 29, 2003 at 17:31:46, Jarkko Pesonen wrote:
>>>
>>>>You can extend search time in analysis by command: st time_in_milliseconds
>>>>e.g. st 8640000
>>>>and search will continue for 24 hours
>>>>
>>>>i.e if I remenber correctly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jarkko
>>>>
>>>>P.S.
>>>>Ruffian is incredible
>>>
>>>Yes, this should definitely work if you use Ruffian in text modus (and it is
>>>pretty clever ;) ). According to the author current public version of Ruffian
>>>interprets analysis as "Game in 833 hours", next one won't.
>>>I have only used Ruffian as an UCI engine so far or in engine matches with
>>>WinBoard but I will give your tip a try when I feel like letting it analyze
>>>forever next time.
>>>
>>>And yes, I agree that Ruffian is _really_ incredible, not only when compaired to
>>>other free programs! Especially with slow timecontrols.
>>
>>Does Ruffian do better at long time control relative to the best commercials
>>programs (Shredder7.04 and chessmaster9000).
>>
>>I doubt it.
>>
>
>IMHO it is possible to play weaker than the best commercials and still be
>incredible, especially for a program that is free.
>
>On my computers Ruffian played more successful in engine matches against other
>WinBoard programs at slower time controls compaired to Blitz.
>
>But I am most impressed by its analysis abilities with deep searches,especially
>its evaluation looks very accurate, but that can't really be tested IMHO, nor am
>I interested to do such a test.

Some time ago i ran these two tournaments:
------------------------------Specs:------------------------------------------

Hardware: One Celeron 1.1 Ghz 256 Mb ram (laptop).
OS      : WinXP PRO.
GUI     : Arena 0.90, Oct 02nd, 2002.

Ponder=off.
All engines with own book
No tablebases
64 Mb hash set as default for UCI engines.
64 Mb or closest match for each Wb engine.
Time control 2 min + 6 seconds for each move.

------------------------------Results:-----------------------------------------

Program                            Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws

1 Ruffian 1.0.0                  : 2694   28  33   400    64.8 %   2588   26.5 %
2 Yace 0.99.56                   : 2632   32  29   400    55.2 %   2596   26.5 %
3 Crafty-19.0                    : 2615   33  27   400    52.5 %   2598   29.0 %
4 Aristarch 4.4                  : 2610   34  27   400    51.6 %   2599   28.2 %
5 SoS_Arena                      : 2594   27  34   400    49.1 %   2601   25.8 %
6 Pharaon 2.62                   : 2588   28  34   400    48.1 %   2601   23.8 %
7 Comet B.48                     : 2575   30  33   400    46.0 %   2603   21.5 %
8 AnMon5.21                      : 2565   32  32   400    44.4 %   2604   18.2 %
9 Tao 5.4                        : 2526   35  29   400    38.2 %   2609   19.5 %

------------------------------Specs:------------------------------------------

Hardware: One Celeron 1.1 Ghz 256 Mb ram (laptop).
OS      : WinXP PRO.
GUI     : Arena 0.90, Oct 02nd, 2002.

Ponder=off.
All engines with own book
No tablebases
64 Mb hash set as default for UCI engines.
64 Mb or closest match for each Wb engine.
Time control 40 moves in 15 min + 40 moves in 15 + 15 min for the rest of the
game.

------------------------------Results:-----------------------------------------

Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws

1 Ruffian 1.0.0                  : 2706   43  49   160    66.6 %   2586   33.1 %
2 Yace 0.99.56                   : 2644   49  47   160    57.2 %   2594   25.6 %
3 Aristarch 4.4                  : 2629   51  42   160    54.7 %   2596   31.9 %
4 Crafty-19.0                    : 2596   40  55   160    49.4 %   2600   32.5 %
5 SOS.2 for Arena                : 2594   43  55   160    49.1 %   2600   25.6 %
6 Pharaon 2.62                   : 2578   42  52   160    46.6 %   2602   30.6 %
7 AnMon5.21                      : 2578   46  52   160    46.6 %   2602   23.1 %
8 Comet B.50                     : 2539   45  48   160    40.3 %   2607   31.9 %
9 Tao 5.4                        : 2535   51  47   160    39.7 %   2608   23.1 %

As you can see Ruffian scored better at longer timecontrol, i know it is not
inredibly long and more like rapid, but i was going for enough games to make it
credible.

Regards
Jonas



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