Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 16:05:22 04/30/03
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On April 30, 2003 at 13:47:23, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>On April 30, 2003 at 13:29:09, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2003 at 12:28:54, WILLIAMS POLK wrote:
>>
>>>Would you give it 2400 elo? Can you still Draw against it like the other
>>>engines?
>>
>> 2400 Elo=yes / second question: so far played no games myself. will
>> follow but I think a draw isn't impossible.
>> Kurt
>
>Why do you think that Shredder (7/7.04) is only 2400 elo? According to
>the results of Fritz 8 and Junior 8, the elo of the todays strongest
>programs is around 2800 on a fast machine of course. Don't you
>believe that on a pentium 3 MHz Shredder 7 is at least 2720 elo?
>Of course the real question is if <Shredder7+ Pentium X MHz> is 2400 elo.
>For example Shredder 7 on a Pentium 80.000 MHz is surely 2800 elo as
>chess is not played by Shredder or by pentium but with both of them.
It might be that I did not understand the question correctly. I thought it
was meant if Shredder7 would [at least] have 2400 Elo and therefore
answered with yes. People know my opinion: computer ratings are 200-300
points too high, but I do not want to again argue about this. I do simply
not understand why it should be possible for 2000-Elo-players to get 2-3
draws out of 10 games if the top programs have 2700-2800 Elo. Neither the
matches Deep Fritz vs Kramnik nor Deep Junior vs Kasparov have convinced
me. Both programs made too often bad moves and only psychological
reasons and severe public pressure for the players prevented clear wins
in favour of the human beings. And one further thing: I think that Deep
Junior [New York version] was not at all determined to fight other programs
and that results vs Fritz8 or Shredder704 would not be to Amir Ban's
satisfaction. This is perhaps the reason why we have to wait such a
long time for Junior8. It's a time consuming matter to change and test
the best suitable parameters of a chess program against other engines.
Kurt
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