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Subject: Re: Fritz 7 Question (sorry)

Author: Shaun Brewer

Date: 10:58:05 05/01/03

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On May 01, 2003 at 13:04:55, Mike S. wrote:

Mike,

Thanks for the answers to my questions.

I will try uninstalling / re-intalling the mouse - it tend to jump about
sometimes so perhaps something is wrong there.

I can see that the analysis functions would be very educational - it's just I am
trying to hand tune a large generated opening book - looking at games where
things deteriated quickly/imediately on being taken out of the book so I only
want to know from the programs point of view the score of the move and a
sugested better move.

Will experiment further and look into the compare analysis you suggested.

Thanks again

Shaun

>On May 01, 2003 at 08:51:30, Shaun Brewer wrote:
>
>>Okay I am very new to Fritz.
>>
>>I have the permanent analysis on and I am steping through a game. However often
>>when I move the mouse it automatically jumps to the next move. Rather anoying
>>when you are wanting to add the analysis as a comment and its been running all
>>night.
>
>Strange. As long as you don't click a mouse button, nothing should happen.
>
>Sounds like a mouse hardware problem to me. Worn out button? :o)
>
>>Is this my machine / mouse / installation or a general problem? Is it possible
>>to get Fritz to record all analysis to a log file? Could not find anything in
>>help under log or output.
>
>Not in the way known i.e. from WB. egines... I know what you mean - an "keep all
>the engine's analysis output" log, but the analysis functions of the Fritz GUI
>are designed more for the practical player than for computer freaks like us :o).
>Usually (some of) the results are put in the notation directly, by the various
>types of analysis functions.
>
>I think "Compare Analysis" is the next best to a typical engine log. It keeps
>the pv, eval and depth (and nodes by option), but only one per position of the
>game analysed.
>
>>A second question when you use full analysis I could not see how you could make
>>it start from a point in a game. e.g. from move 25 to the start (obviously I
>>could edit the game but that seems a little odd).
>
>This is controlled by the "Last Move" value in the full analysis dialogue. F1
>help says, "Last move: This sets a limit for the analysis. Analysis always
>starts at the end of the game and goes backward, ending with this move." I've
>just tested it in the ChessProgram8 GUI. Works... but make sure you have the
>latest GUI update for Fritz 7. I seem to remember that there were bugs related
>to the Full Analysis in F7. If it doesn't work, try to disable the opening
>reference of that function.
>
>>Again is it possible to log the actual computer analysis.
>
>No, here the program itself decides what to insert as a commentary, variations
>etc. (an award winning AI analysis function) to design something similar to a
>human-like master analysis. One of the advantages is, that the engine "goes
>into" variations (which it thinks are worthwile to be explored further), playing
>through them move by move rather than to just insert a pv.
>
>Another advantage is, that this function can respond to threats and interesting
>what if? situations, an "inserting engine's output move by move" method can
>never comment on. For example, if there was an attractive move which turns out
>to be a deep trap sacrifice, and the player has spotted that trap avoiding i.e
>to capture a piece which was en prise, a simple analyis function which sees that
>as well, will think all was ok in the game and you'll never be pointed to that
>by the output. The same goes for some defensive moves which may seem strange,
>but are necessary to defend against threats (which therefore never appear on the
>board nor in simple analysis outputs).
>
>But that's completely different of course from traditional engine logs.
>
>Regards,
>M.Scheidl



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