Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 11:37:52 05/02/03
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On May 02, 2003 at 13:33:01, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On May 02, 2003 at 12:37:52, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On May 02, 2003 at 11:35:51, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On May 02, 2003 at 09:55:23, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>> >>>>On May 02, 2003 at 05:59:14, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 01, 2003 at 13:36:02, Manfred Meiler wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 01, 2003 at 13:10:04, Brian Thomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Subject says it all ... looking for approx the best blitz settings ... thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Brian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>According Surak's website http://www.grailmaster.com/misc/chess/comp/cm.html the >>>>>>settings "Grailmaster7" and "Tato2" should be very strong in Blitz. >>>>>> >>>>>>Manfred >>>>>> >>>>>>PS: Grailmaster7 scored very well also in test suite "WM-Test" (100 test >>>>>>positions à 20 minutes). >>>>> >>>>> As far as I know, both these settings do not base on a "possible" >>>>> CM9-setting. We do therefore not know what we are testing. That's a great >>>>> pity and of course of no help whatsoever for the programmer. >>>>> Kurt >>>> >>>>There are programmers of the GUI and there is a programmer of TheKing engine. >>>>As Chessmaster 9000 is a mass market product the programmers of the GUI decided >>>>to make the Setup of the personalities as user friendly as possible. >>>>Therefore they use 9,5,3,3,1 for the Material values of the default personality >>>>and not 100,100,100,100,100. The translation is done by the GUI. >>>> >>>>Johan de Koning of course is not interested in strong CM9-settings. >>>>He is probably interested in the strongest TheKing-setting, to make the next >>>>default engine version stronger. >>>>I see no problems for the programmer of the engine if there are no possible >>>>CM9-settings. >>>> >>>>Michael >>> >>> Hi Michael >>> You are wrong. The programmer is only interested in the strongest >>> CM9-settings which then can be "translated" via the logfile output for use >>> outside the CM9-GUI. If params are only changed under Fritz-GUI, Johan de >>> Koning cannot identify the original parameters of his engine. I know this >>> for sure and that's the reason why I am always asking for the original >>> CM9-settings and why I strictly avoid to use settings that are not >>> based on a CM9-GUI-setting. The whole problem has already earlier been >>> posted here, see http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/39159.htm >>> Kurt >> >>Hi Kurt >> >>I can understand why it would be best to leave the Material/Positional >>value at zero. I also dont change this parameter. >> >>Lets assume a personality is found which performs over 50 ELO better than all >>other personalities and is not based on a CM-GUI-setting. >>Do you really think Johan de Koning could not reconstruct the reason for this? > > Yes, reconstruction is simply not possible. > Kurt Ich meinte nachvollziehen was die Ursache sein könnte und die richtigen Schlußfolgerungen ziehen. Ich bin sicher das dies einem so guten Schachprogrammierer gelingen sollte. >> >>The problem with the CM-GUI-settings is simply you cant set slightly >>asymmetric material parameters for Knight,Bishop and Rook. >>You sometimes (especially if you have a personality with a risky style) want The >>King to not trade material if there is an equal strong >>possibility and on the other hand you dont want to weaken The Kings play too >>much. >>To set myb=123 and opb=116 can only weaken the program but myb=101 and opb=100 >>could slightly improve its strength. > > Hard to say in my opinion. My experience show [it's sometimes unbelievable] > that even a very small ajdustment of a single parameter can influence the > behaviour of the engine in a never expected manner. I have often thought > that slightly changing a specific parameter should give better results, but > the contrary was the case. I came to the conclusion that all this has > nothing to do with logic, it's merely a matter of testing, testing and > again testing. > Kurt Sure, its never possible to predict the behaviour of a program if you change the default settings. You cant deny that it is possible that a None-CM-GUI-setting is stronger than all possible CM-GUI-settings. I see no reason why people shouldnt try it. Of course I respect your joice not to do it. > >> >>I think Johan the Koning is not happy about the fact that people use >>TheKing outside the Chessmaster GUI because this is not in the interest of >>Ubi-Soft and he eventually gets his money from them. > > We can see this the other way round. Quite a lof of people have purchased > Chessmaster 9000 only for the purpose to have a very strong engine for > matches in the ChessBase or in other GUI's like Arena, ChessAssistant. As > long as an original CM9-CD is required to do so, Ubi Soft will not claim I > think. > Kurt Unfortunately now people can run TheKing engine in Chessbase with the patch someone mentioned here because it is not longer required to have an original CD now. I recogniced that it is very common to trade engines per email. I had purchased Shredder 7 CD very early and played some games with it at playchess.com. I had to close the chat window because I recieved a lot of requests to send it to others. They even offered me a bunch of commercial engines to trade. I returned a weak later and not a single person asked me to trade it ... Michael >> >>Michael
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