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Subject: Re: (CT15 vs Fritz8.0.0.8) A-1200, now 3.5-4.5

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 01:29:57 05/03/03

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On May 02, 2003 at 14:00:36, Drexel,Michael wrote:

>On May 02, 2003 at 11:37:00, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On May 02, 2003 at 10:19:39, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>
>>>On May 02, 2003 at 07:13:21, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>Tomorrow I will start a new mach of 10 games against version 8.0.0.23 against
>>>>CT15 so we can compare them against the same opponent.
>>>
>>>This is IMO of no interest. A 10 games match is almost worth nothing.
>>>You need a lot more games to get an estimate.
>>>The SSDF is testing with 40 games per match.
>>>A program which is clearly stronger than the opponent should win a 40 games
>>>match almost with probability 100%.
>>
>>
>>
>>Again this is only so the CCC members can get an Idea NOT an exact assurance
>>that Program X is stronger than program Y. But in this particular case where
>>Fritz has its origianl version 8.008 and also version 8.0023 which Tony from
>>the SSDF is testing right now, we are not too sure if version 8.008 is really
>>stronger than version 8.0023. When Shredder 7 and Shredder 7.04 were tested
>>against all the three versions of Fritz, it gave us a clue with a small margin
>>of error that version 8.0.0.8 is the stonger against Shredder, but that doesn't
>>indicate that it is stronger overall against the rest of the programs.
>>Therefore, my little test will only give you a clue.
>
>You even cant get an idea. 8.0.0.8 and 8.0.0.23 are almost equal.

I don't think that Mr. Morsch wasted over three months of improvement between
Fritz 8.008 and 8.0023 for no reason.

Fritz 8.008 was last modified: Tuesday, November 26, 2002, 9:39:42 AM
Fritz 8.0023 was last modified: Sunday, March 02, 2003, 11:18:34 PM

Jorge

>>>If the weaker program is lucky and gets the right positions out of the opening
>>>it can win a 10 games match against a program which is clearly stronger.
>>>
>>>Michael
>>
>>It all depends how much weaker, if the weaker program is more than 50 points
>>weaker, than the opening might not help the weaker program much. Just to give
>>you an escenario lets take List 5.04 with its opening book for instance, versus
>>shredder 7.04 without an opening book at all, if you match them in a 40 games
>>match i would not put my money on List 5.04. There is one major reason why you
>>can't depend on opening book too much
>
>A programm can be more than 100 points weaker and can play a certain position
>almost perfect and the stronger program can play this position like something
>which is rated <1800.
>You play with opening book for both sides and with this scenario a 2500 program
>could draw or win a 10 games match against Shredder 7.04.
>
>>
>>1st. The opening book could have been created by collecting openings from human
>>players, and of course these opening are NOT guarantee to be error free.
>>
>>2nd. It is not clear if top programs such as shredder 7 or Fritz 8 are able to
>>create opening moves that could be better than those taken from humans players,
>>specially if the opening books were taken from games of players less than the
>>top 100 FIDE ranking.



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