Author: Uri Blass
Date: 22:07:52 05/03/03
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On May 03, 2003 at 23:47:13, Jim Bond wrote: >On May 03, 2003 at 23:22:05, Tom Kerrigan wrote: > >>On May 03, 2003 at 21:28:30, Jim Bond wrote: >> >>>On May 03, 2003 at 17:52:40, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On May 03, 2003 at 17:50:36, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>><snipped> >>>>>I know about programs that tablebases were counter productive for mchess because >>>>>it probed them too much and was slowed down by asignificant factor. >>>> >>>>I meant here that mchess is an example for a program that tablebases was counter >>>>productive for it. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>If you believe that more TB probing is counter productive, you are contradicting >>>with Shredder - the top program. Take this position for example: >>> >>>2k5/8/7p/8/5qP1/1Q5K/8/8 w - - 0 72 >>> >>>If you run infinite analysis on it with Shredder 7.04, Fritz 0.008 and >>>ChessTiger 15, you will find that the Shredder accumlates TB counts about 8 >>>times more than Fritz and about 16 times more than ChessTiger. If TB probing is >>>counter productive, how come Shredder does it so much more and can still be at >>>the top? >>> >>>Jim >> >>Just because Shredder is at the top doesn't mean it plays this particular >>position better than other programs, i.e., the fact that it does so many more >>probes does not mean that more probes are good. >> >>-Tom > >You are saying more probes does not mean that more probes are good, but you >cannot prove that more probe is bad either. The fact is Shredder does probes >and it is the top program where others does less probes and are less strong. >There is a correlation here wouldn't you agreed? > >Jim If I see A and I see B then it does not mean that A is the reason of B. Shredder can be better than the opponents because of different reasons. I believe that shredder7.04 is better than the opponents also when the programs do not get tablebases. Uri
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