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Subject: Re: Shredders secrets revealed! ;-)

Author: Michael P. Nance Sr.

Date: 09:03:27 05/04/03

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On May 04, 2003 at 10:47:05, Joachim Rang wrote:

>Okay,
>
>there was a discussion what does give Shredder 7 an edge above other programs.
>I created a position to determine the influence of king safety and piece
>coordination:
>
>[D] rqb2r1n/ppn1kpbp/2p3p1/4p3/3PP3/1QP2NBP/BP3PP1/3RR1K1 w - - 0 1
>
>White is a piece down, but the exposed black king and the black trapped pieces
>makes this a won position for white. It's all tactics, but it's no simple
>tactics, so most programs get a positive score for white not earlier than depth
>12 or 13 - except Shredder 7:
>
>Shredder 7 starts with +2.14 at depth 1 (sic!) and never goes below + 1 for
>white - also the positions in which white get material back are many plies away.
>
>It seems to me that Shredder 7 evaluates king safety and piece coordination with
>very high values. At least here Shredder's optimism is justified.
>
>Below are some analysis of some programs on a slow 233 Mhz - Notebook:
>
>rqb2r1n/ppn1kpbp/2p3p1/4p3/3PP3/1QP2NBP/BP3PP1/3RR1K1 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Shredder 7:
>
>1.dxe5
>  +-  (2.14)   Tiefe: 1/1   00:00:00
>1.dxe5
>  +-  (2.14)   Tiefe: 1/1   00:00:00
>1.dxe5 Lxh3 2.gxh3
>  +-  (1.58)   Tiefe: 2/2   00:00:00
>1.dxe5 Le6
>  ±  (1.06)   Tiefe: 2/4   00:00:00
>1.dxe5 Se6
>  ±  (0.93)   Tiefe: 2/4   00:00:00
>1.Db4+ Kd8 2.Lxe5
>  ±  (1.10)   Tiefe: 2/7   00:00:00
>1.Db4+ Kd7 2.dxe5+ Sd5
>  +-  (1.48)   Tiefe: 2/8   00:00:00
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.dxe5
>  +-  (1.56)   Tiefe: 2/10   00:00:00
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.Lxf7+ Sxf7 3.Dxf8+ Kxf8
>  ±  (1.31)   Tiefe: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.Lxf7+ Sxf7 3.De7+ Kxe7
>  ±  (0.81)   Tiefe: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.Db4+ Kd8 2.Sxe5 Lxh3
>  ±  (0.85)   Tiefe: 3/18   00:00:00
>1.dxe5 Td8 2.Db4+ Ke8
>  ±  (0.91)   Tiefe: 3/18   00:00:00
>1.dxe5 Le6 2.Db4+ Ke8
>  ±  (1.21)   Tiefe: 3/18   00:00:00
>1.Lxe5 Le6 2.Db4+ Ke8
>  ±  (1.28)   Tiefe: 3/18   00:00:00
>1.Lxe5 f6 2.Db4+ Ke8
>  +-  (1.84)   Tiefe: 3/18   00:00:01
>1.Lxe5 f6 2.Db4+ Ke8
>  +-  (1.84)   Tiefe: 3/18   00:00:01
>1.Lxe5 f6 2.Db4+ Ke8 3.Lf4
>  +-  (1.73)   Tiefe: 4/10   00:00:01
>1.Lxe5 f6 2.Db4+ Ke8 3.Ld6 Sa6
>  +-  (1.77)   Tiefe: 5/14   00:00:01
>1.Lxe5 Lxe5 2.dxe5 Ke8 3.Dxf7+ Sxf7 4.Lxf7+ Kxf7
>  +-  (1.52)   Tiefe: 6/14   00:00:01
>1.Lxe5 Lxe5 2.Sxe5 Le6 3.Da3+ Ke8 4.c4
>  +-  (1.44)   Tiefe: 6/14   00:00:01
>1.Lxe5 Lxe5 2.Sxe5 Le6 3.Da3+ Kf6 4.De7+ Kxe7 5.Sxc6+ bxc6
>  ±  (1.19)   Tiefe: 7/14   00:00:03  66kN
>1.Lxe5 Lxe5 2.Sxe5 Le6 3.d5 Lg4
>  ±  (1.19)   Tiefe: 7/14   00:00:03  71kN
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.Lxe5 Le6 3.Lxg7 a6
>  ±  (1.20)   Tiefe: 7/14   00:00:03  78kN
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.Lxe5 Lxe5 3.dxe5 Se6 4.Dd6 Dxd6
>  ±  (1.20)   Tiefe: 7/23   00:00:05  132kN
>1.Da3+ Ke8 2.Lxe5 Lxe5 3.dxe5 Se6 4.Lc4 Ld7
>  ±  (1.21)   Tiefe: 7/23   00:00:06  159kN
>1.Da3+ Ke8 2.Lxe5 Lxe5 3.dxe5 Se6 4.Lc4 Ld7
>  ±  (1.21)   Tiefe: 7/23   00:00:07  172kN
>1.Da3+ Ke8 2.Lxe5 Lxe5 3.dxe5 Le6 4.Lb1 Sb5 5.Dc5
>  ±  (1.15)   Tiefe: 8/23   00:00:14  376kN
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.Sxe5 Le6 3.Sc4 f6 4.Dd6
>  ±  (1.16)   Tiefe: 8/23   00:00:15  401kN
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.Sxe5 Le6 3.Sc4 b5 4.Sd6+ Kd8 5.Sxf7+ Lxf7 6.Lxc7+ Kxc7 7.Dd6+ Kxd6
>  ±  (1.16)   Tiefe: 8/24   00:00:18  483kN
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.Sxe5 Le6 3.Sc4 b5 4.Sd6+ Kd8 5.d5
>  ±  (1.29)   Tiefe: 9/28   00:00:34  962kN
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.Sxe5 f6 3.Sf3 Sf7 4.Lb3 Ld7 5.e5 fxe5 6.dxe5
>  +-  (1.53)   Tiefe: 10/26   00:01:06  1959kN
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.Sxe5 a5 3.Dd6 Sb5 4.Dxb8 Sxc3 5.Dxa8 Se2+ 6.Txe2
>  +-  (1.76)   Tiefe: 11/32   00:02:18  4217kN
>
>
>rqb2r1n/ppn1kpbp/2p3p1/4p3/3PP3/1QP2NBP/BP3PP1/3RR1K1 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Crafty 19.01:
>
>1.dxe5
>  µ  (-1.22)   Tiefe: 1/11   00:00:01
>1.dxe5 Td8
>  -+  (-1.48)   Tiefe: 2/11   00:00:01
>1.dxe5 Td8
>  µ  (-1.08)   Tiefe: 3/11   00:00:01
>1.dxe5 Le6 2.Db4+ Ke8 3.Lxe6 Sxe6
>  µ  (-1.04)   Tiefe: 3/11   00:00:01
>1.dxe5 Ke8 2.Dc4 Le6
>  µ  (-1.03)   Tiefe: 4/12   00:00:01
>1.dxe5 Le6 2.Db4+ Ke8 3.Lxe6 Sxe6
>  µ  (-1.04)   Tiefe: 5/13   00:00:02
>1.dxe5 Ke8 2.Db4 Sa6 3.Dd4 Dc7
>  µ  (-1.06)   Tiefe: 6/18   00:00:03  60kN
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.dxe5 Ld7 3.Lc4 Kd8 4.Dd6
>  µ  (-0.85)   Tiefe: 6/18   00:00:04  104kN
>1.Db4+ Ke8 2.dxe5 Le6 3.Lxe6 Sxe6 4.Dd6 Dc7
>  µ  (-1.29)   Tiefe: 7/18   00:00:14  527kN
>1.dxe5 Ke8 2.Dc2 Ld7 3.Dd2 Dd8 4.Lc4
>  µ  (-0.90)   Tiefe: 7/18   00:00:18  663kN
>1.dxe5 Ke8 2.Dc2 Ld7 3.Sg5 Kd8 4.Dd3 Dc8 5.Sxh7
>  µ  (-1.18)   Tiefe: 8/23   00:00:26  1023kN
>1.Da3+ Ke8 2.dxe5 Se6 3.Lc4 Dc7 4.Dd6 Ld7 5.Dd2
>  µ  (-0.94)   Tiefe: 8/23   00:00:44  1926kN
>1.d5 Ke8 2.Sxe5 f6 3.Sc4 Ld7 4.Sd6+ Ke7 5.dxc6 Lxc6
>  µ  (-0.91)   Tiefe: 8/23   00:01:02  2655kN
>1.d5 Sb5 2.dxc6 bxc6 3.Dc4 Dc7 4.Dc5+ Ke8 5.Lxe5 Lxe5 6.Sxe5
>  µ  (-0.80)   Tiefe: 9/23   00:01:31  3870kN
>1.d5 Sa6 2.dxc6 bxc6 3.Da3+ Ke8 4.Lc4 Db6 5.Sxe5 f6 6.Sg4
>  ³  (-0.46)   Tiefe: 10/24   00:03:24  9187kN
>1.d5 Sb5 2.c4 Sd6 3.dxc6 f6 4.c5 Sdf7 5.cxb7 Dxb7 6.Dd5 Dxd5 7.exd5
>  ³  (-0.49)   Tiefe: 11/28   00:08:12  22815kN
>1.Sxe5 f6 2.Sd3 Kd8 3.d5 Ld7 4.Sc5 Kc8 5.Se6 Lxe6 6.dxe6
>  =  (-0.19)   Tiefe: 11/28   00:13:00  35987kN
>1.Sxe5 f6 2.Sd3 Kd8 3.d5 Ld7 4.Sc5 Kc8 5.Se6 Lxe6 6.dxe6
>  =  (0.21)   Tiefe: 12/30   00:25:30  71747kN
Its has no edge on My Fritz.>>>>Mike



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