Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 12:59:24 05/11/03
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On May 10, 2003 at 16:36:08, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On May 10, 2003 at 10:45:13, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On May 10, 2003 at 09:08:37, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>> >>>>You said that Fritz also likes white. >>>> >>>>I also think that 0.41 is not a big advantage for white so if the position is >>>>equal than it is not a big mostake(espacially when I remember that shredder's >>>>scores are higher than the scores of the opponent and it often say +2 in >>>>positions that another program says +1 >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>IMO the position is already slightly better for black e.g. Black should at least >>>get a draw here and should win against top programs because they dont understand >>>the position and probably wont find the best defence. >>>When black is developed and the pawns in the center begin to march over the >>>board they take away good squares for the white pieces. >>>What do you think about my little experiment regarding mobility? >> >>I do not know. >>I also do not understand the position. >> >>Can you show me errors of the top programs when you play against them. > >I dont play against top programs, except some blitz games. >Not very often though. > >> >>If mobility is not important there then >>I need exact definitions to explain it. > >Mobility is always important but here black should be able to develop his pieces >just in time. > >> >>I suspect that pawns in the centre is not enough and there may be positions when >>mobility is more important. > >But it is also important to have secure places for the minor pieces. >What if they can be chased away with tempo later on? > >>What if you give white only one tempo >> > >Probably it is a forced win for white if you give white one tempo. > >> >>Latest Movei agree with Shredder >>Movei scores are dependent not only on the leaf position and they may be wrong >>at depth 1 so here is comparison at depth 2: >>+0.31 for the first position >>-0.66 for the second position >> >>depth 7: >>+0.30 for the first position >>-0.66 for the second position >> >>Uri But in that postion it is also the kingsafety why Shredder give a higher valeu then other programs for that postion Shredder gives penaltys against the King in the Centre. I once analyzed the postion and White does have an advantage but back then Shredder it self didn't realy know how to keep it . So more moves need to be inserted to make the verdict clear. Or it must be so Schredder now finds the way to keep it. Marc
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