Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: Is this a draw?

Author: Richard Pijl

Date: 01:52:40 05/12/03

Go up one level in this thread


On May 12, 2003 at 03:34:37, Thomas McBurney wrote:

>I've been working on my chess engine to recognise a drawn position in the board
>evaluation routine, and here is a chess position I have come accross that I'm
>not sure of the correct answer.  Most chess engines think that black is winning,
>but at least one chess engine I have come accross sees it as a draw.
>
>8/p6R/1kpb4/8/8/8/3r2BP/7K w - - 0 1
>
>[D]8/p6R/1kpb4/8/8/8/3r2BP/7K w - - 0 1
>
>I believe the correct solution is Bxc6.  Which then leads to Kxc6  Rxa7  Rxh2
>Kg1. The position is now a KR vs krb. Can white now claim a draw because of
>insufficient material to mate?

No, because there are some exceptions (very few) where KRBKR is not a draw.

>Do you agree with analysis?

1.Bxc6 seems correct but 1..Kxc6 is recognized by the Baron as a dead draw and
is never considered (only 3&4 stone EGTB).
But black has some alternatives that are a little more difficult to assess as a
draw, like 1..a5 or 1..Bxh2. The position is still a draw though.

>I like to know what people and/or chess engines think of this position.

The Baron on PIII-500 (3&4 stone EGTB)

 ply       time     nodes  score  pv

  6(13)&      0     18596   -131  g2c6 a7a5 c6e4 d2e2 h7b7 b6c5 e4g2
  6(13).      0     19724   -131  g2c6 a7a5 c6e4 d2e2 h7b7 b6c5 e4g2
  7(15)&      0     48198   -129  g2c6 a7a5 c6e4 a5a4 h2h4 d2h2 h1g1 a4a3 h7b7
b6a5 b7h7
  7(15).      0     50389   -129  g2c6 a7a5 c6e4 a5a4 h2h4 d2h2 h1g1 a4a3 h7b7
b6a5 b7h7
  8(17)&      1    148700   -136  g2c6 d6h2 h7b7 b6a6 c6e4 h2e5 h1g1 e5d4 g1f1
a6a5
 8(17).      1    153323   -136  g2c6 d6h2 h7b7 b6a6 c6e4 h2e5 h1g1 e5d4 g1f1
a6a5
  9(18)&      2    268265   -140  g2c6 d6h2 h7b7 b6a6 c6e4 h2d6 h1g1 d2d4 e4c6
d4d2
  9(18).      2    287938   -140  g2c6 d6h2 h7b7 b6a6 c6e4 h2d6 h1g1 d2d4 e4c6
d4d2
 10(21)&      9   1171446   -127  g2c6 a7a5 c6a4 d6f4 h2h4 d2a2 a4b3 a2b2 b3d5
a5a4
 10(21).      9   1212865   -127  g2c6 a7a5 c6a4 d6f4 h2h4 d2a2 a4b3 a2b2 b3d5
a5a4
 11(23)&     26   3286837   -133  g2c6 d6h2 h7b7 b6a6 c6e4 h2e5 h1g1 e5d4 g1f1
d2f2 f1e1 a6a5 b7d7 d4c5
 11(23).     27   3376537   -133  g2c6 d6h2 h7b7 b6a6 c6e4 h2e5 h1g1 e5d4 g1f1
d2f2 f1e1 a6a5 b7d7 d4c5

Richard.



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.