Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:18:06 05/15/03
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On May 15, 2003 at 16:26:46, Derek Paquette wrote: >Here is a question I'd like to share with all of you, >I was reading over the rebel site, and I was SHOCKED to see that rebel is >beating up GM's and super grandmasters left right and center, >http://www.rebel.nl/edindex.htm > >look at rebel vs...down the left side. These were done in 1999, on crappy >processors that our processors laugh at today. They didn't have 8 processors >and 2 gigabytes of ram. So the question is, what is going on here? Computers even before 1999 were at GM strength. Genius already in 1994 beated Kasparov 1.5-.5 at 25 minutes per game and kasparov at 25 minutes per game is at the same level as the average GM at tournament time control. I do not say that Genius3 on p90 when it use only 25 minutes per game is at the same level as GM's at tournament time control because one result may be misleading but in 1999 the hardware was clearly better than the p90 so we have no proof that Fritz or shredder or Junior could not do the same against humans. I know that Rebel did also slightly better results against humans in the israeli league but I think that the reason is simply the fact that more humans have Fritz so the opponents who play against Fritz were more often prepared to the games than the opponents who played against Rebel. I know that one of the masters who played against both Rebel and fritz did not prepare for Rebel but prepared for Fritz so he lost against Rebel and drew against Fritz. > >Maybe emphasis is put too much on the results of computer vs computer to pick a >computer 'champion' in man vs machine, instead of results vs humans? These matches are considered as uninteresting after the win of Deeper blue against kasparov. Until 1997 there was a sponsor for a tournament of humans against machines in holland. These tournaments were stopped after the win of deeper blue against kasparov. Uri
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