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Subject: Re: Correspondence chess

Author: Angelo Ciavarella

Date: 12:23:44 05/20/03

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On May 20, 2003 at 15:18:05, Angelo Ciavarella wrote:

>On May 20, 2003 at 14:04:48, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On May 20, 2003 at 11:40:25, Angelo Ciavarella wrote:
>>
>>>On May 20, 2003 at 05:14:08, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 20, 2003 at 03:14:21, Angelo Ciavarella wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The link below says that the correspondence chess champion can calculate better
>>>>>than any computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>www.uschess.org/cc/alexsept02.html
>>>>
>>>>I do not see that claim.
>>>>
>>>>By definition computer is faster and can calculate better than any human if
>>>>humans only write the right program.
>>>>
>>>>The only reason that a team of computer and human can do better than a computer
>>>>is that programmers failed to write the right program.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>If you read the statement half way down the page by two-time U.S.Correspondence
>>>Champion Stephen Jones, he explains why he can beat a computer in correspondence
>>>analysis.
>>
>>I can only say nonsense about the following sentence:
>>"You look 10 to 12 moves ahead. The computer's evaluation of the position will
>>be based only on four to six moves ahead."
>>
>>The writer proves that he does not know much about computers becuase my shredder
>>can get often 20 plies in some hours and 20 plies are clearly more than 4-6
>>moves ahead.
>>
>>He also does not claim that he without computer can beat the computer.
>>If the claim is that a team of computer+human can be better than a computer then
>>I agree with it but I also believe that in lot of cases it is not the case(for
>>example if the human only use the computer to check the analysis for tactical
>>mistakes)
>>
>>I also believe that there are full games when a good correspondence player does
>>not need to change the moves of the computer because they are simply the best
>>moves.
>>
>>Uri
>Steven Busemann,a cc grandmaster, says computers are not much use to a strong cc
>player.Go to http://cl-www.dfki.uni-sb.de/~busemann/computers.html for a full
>explanation.How relevant this is today I don't know, since he wrote this in 1996!
>
>Angelo



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