Author: Stephen Ham
Date: 13:35:54 05/20/03
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On May 20, 2003 at 15:36:11, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 20, 2003 at 15:18:05, Angelo Ciavarella wrote: > >>On May 20, 2003 at 14:04:48, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On May 20, 2003 at 11:40:25, Angelo Ciavarella wrote: >>> >>>>On May 20, 2003 at 05:14:08, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 20, 2003 at 03:14:21, Angelo Ciavarella wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>The link below says that the correspondence chess champion can calculate better >>>>>>than any computer. >>>>>> >>>>>>www.uschess.org/cc/alexsept02.html >>>>> >>>>>I do not see that claim. >>>>> >>>>>By definition computer is faster and can calculate better than any human if >>>>>humans only write the right program. >>>>> >>>>>The only reason that a team of computer and human can do better than a computer >>>>>is that programmers failed to write the right program. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>>If you read the statement half way down the page by two-time U.S.Correspondence >>>>Champion Stephen Jones, he explains why he can beat a computer in correspondence >>>>analysis. >>> >>>I can only say nonsense about the following sentence: >>>"You look 10 to 12 moves ahead. The computer's evaluation of the position will >>>be based only on four to six moves ahead." >>> >>>The writer proves that he does not know much about computers becuase my shredder >>>can get often 20 plies in some hours and 20 plies are clearly more than 4-6 >>>moves ahead. >>> >>>He also does not claim that he without computer can beat the computer. >>>If the claim is that a team of computer+human can be better than a computer then >>>I agree with it but I also believe that in lot of cases it is not the case(for >>>example if the human only use the computer to check the analysis for tactical >>>mistakes) >>> >>>I also believe that there are full games when a good correspondence player does >>>not need to change the moves of the computer because they are simply the best >>>moves. >>> >>>Uri >>Steven Busemann,a cc grandmaster, says computers are not much use to a strong cc >>player.Go to http://cl-www.dfki.uni-sb.de/~busemann/computers.html for a full >>explanation. >> >>Angelo > >I do not see where he says it. > >He says that computer with no help is bad for correspondence game but he does >not say that computers do not help strong cc players. > >Note that my opinion is that a computer with no help with fast hardware can get >2500-2600 ICCF rating. > >Uri It should be noted too that Dr. Busemann wrote those comments 6-years ago. In the the computer world, given the rapid hardware/software advances, that's like the Dark Ages. All the best, Stephen
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