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Subject: Re: Magic 200MHz

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:20:57 05/21/03

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On May 21, 2003 at 15:48:46, Tom Kerrigan wrote:

>On May 21, 2003 at 13:46:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 20, 2003 at 13:52:01, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>
>>>On May 20, 2003 at 00:26:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>Actually it _does_ surprise me.  The basic idea is that HT provides improved
>>>>resource utilization within the CPU.  IE would you prefer to have a dual 600mhz
>>>>or a single 1000mhz machine?  I'd generally prefer the dual 600, although for
>>>
>>>You're oversimplifying HT. When HT is running two threads, each thread only gets
>>>half of the core's resources. So instead of your 1GHz vs. dual 600MHz situation,
>>>what you have is more like a 1GHz Pentium 4 vs. a dual 1GHz Pentium. The dual
>>>will usually be faster, but in many cases it will be slower, sometimes by a wide
>>>margin.
>>
>>Not quite.  Otherwise how do you explain my NPS _increase_ when using a second
>>thread on a single physical cpu?
>>
>>The issue is that now things can be overlapped and more of the CPU core
>>gets utilized for a greater percent of the total run-time...
>>
>>If it were just 50-50 then there would be _zero_ improvement for perfect
>>algorithms, and a negative improvement for any algorithm with any overhead
>>whatsoever...
>>
>>And the 50-50 doesn't even hold true for all cases, as my test results have
>>shown, even though I have yet to find any reason for what is going on...
>
>Think a little bit before posting, Bob. I said that the chip's execution
>resources were evenly split, I didn't say that the chip's performance is evently
>split. That's just stupid. You have to figure in how those execution resources
>are utilized and understand that adding more of these resources gives you
>diminishing returns.
>
>-Tom


You shold follow your own advice.  If resources are split "50-50" then how
can _my_ program produce a 70-30 split on occasion?

It simply is _not_ possible.

There is more to this than a simple explanation offers...




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