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Subject: Re: Unnecessary Underpromotions

Author: José Carlos

Date: 06:48:11 05/22/03

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On May 22, 2003 at 09:06:24, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 22, 2003 at 08:41:56, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>
>>On May 22, 2003 at 06:08:47, José Carlos wrote:
>>
>>>On May 22, 2003 at 01:01:38, Robin Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>Often programs will underpromote a pawn in situations where they think capturing
>>>>the (under)promoted piece is still the best reply. Can anyone give an example
>>>>from an actual game where this underspromotion cost the computer a 1/2 point?
>>>>
>>>>Robin
>>>
>>>  I can't recall any game with this problem, but it's really easy to fix. I
>>>simply order the promotions so that promoting to queen gets searched first.
>>
>>Isn't everybody doing this anyway ?
>>Uli
>
>I do it and I strongly believe that shredder does it
>but it is not enough to prevent the problem.
>
>Movei does not use hash tables for pruning and I
>think that it may be interesting to read an explanation
>for the behaviour of shredder or another program
>that considers c1R as best.
>
>
>I think that in order to prevent the problem a program
>can ask itself if an underpromotion makes sense before
>considering it and I plan to add it in the future
>
>I do not need hash tables and killer moves
>are enough for it.
>
>I simply need to tell the program that if the killer move of
>queen promotion is capturing it then it should not consider underpromotions.
>
>Uri

  You shouldn't consider captures as killers, because it's a waste, as you're
most probably searching good captures before killers. Promotions should be
considered as captures in this regard.

  José C.



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