Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:26:25 05/23/03
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On May 23, 2003 at 16:47:59, Peter Berger wrote: >On May 23, 2003 at 14:58:39, Stephen Ham wrote: > >>It is my perception that most, if not all, of the top-rated CC players admit to >>using chess engines in some way. As just one example, Tunj Hamarat, will >>probably win the present World CC Championship. He admits to using a chess >>engine(s). Kenneth Frey, an OTB IM and one of the highest rated ICCF players, >>claims he has 7-computers running at any given time. >> >>Heck, if I had a chance to compete in a World Championship Final (I only played >>in the Semi-Finals), I might use my computer too. >> >>So why do some computer using players succeed while most stay back in the pack? >>I suspect that's where the difference is decided by who is the better human >>player. A skilled human can direct the machine regarding where to focus its >>computing power, thus being more successful than somebody totally dependent upon >>having the machine find his/her moves. >> > >Hi Steve, > >this is the optimistic view ( if you love correspondence chess). In case you >were right it would mean that the better chessplayer would still win, only the >game would be played on a much higher level - this could be a thrilling chess >competition, too. No Steve does not say that computer time is not important and a weaker player who use 7 computers to abnalyze his games at every moment can still beat stronger player who use only one computer for his games. > >I seriously doubt it is true though. > >First you use extremes here - you start with a human who is _totally_ dependent >on the machine - will it still work just as nicely if the human is rated 2000 >(which is still quite low) ? Even humans that are rated lower than 2000 can reject computer moves and earn from it if they do it only in rare cases. > >And then you assume that chess skill is the only variable here, but it >definitely isn't. I hope Dieter Bürßner won't mind (too much) if I abuse him for >an example - I don't know if you have seen some of his really _amazing_ >analysis done with his own engine Yace posted here and in other fora. His human >chess skills are quite low , but his knowledge about chessengines is _extremely_ >high of course. He can use his own chessengine and he can even make special >changes to it to improve on its analysis abilities in a given position. Although >I doubt he is stronger than 1400 as a human player I would be _very_ scared if I >had to compete with him in an analysis competition if we both could use >chessengines. Of course this is an extreme example. Dieter posted some good analysis of endgame when going backward and forward and learning is very important but I doubt if it is going to help much in middle game positions when the lines are not forced. Uri
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