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Subject: Re: Correspondence Chess

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:26:25 05/23/03

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On May 23, 2003 at 16:47:59, Peter Berger wrote:

>On May 23, 2003 at 14:58:39, Stephen Ham wrote:
>
>>It is my perception that most, if not all, of the top-rated CC players admit to
>>using chess engines in some way. As just one example, Tunj Hamarat, will
>>probably win the present World CC Championship. He admits to using a chess
>>engine(s). Kenneth Frey, an OTB IM and one of the highest rated ICCF players,
>>claims he has 7-computers running at any given time.
>>
>>Heck, if I had a chance to compete in a World Championship Final (I only played
>>in the Semi-Finals), I might use my computer too.
>>
>>So why do some computer using players succeed while most stay back in the pack?
>>I suspect that's where the difference is decided by who is the better human
>>player. A skilled human can direct the machine regarding where to focus its
>>computing power, thus being more successful than somebody totally dependent upon
>>having the machine find his/her moves.
>>
>
>Hi Steve,
>
>this is the optimistic view ( if you love correspondence chess). In case you
>were right it would mean that the better chessplayer would still win, only the
>game would be played on a much higher level - this could be a thrilling chess
>competition, too.

No

Steve does not say that computer time is not important and a weaker player who
use 7 computers to abnalyze his games at every moment can still beat stronger
player who use only one computer for his games.


>
>I seriously doubt it is true though.
>
>First you use extremes here - you start with a human who is _totally_ dependent
>on the machine - will it still work just as nicely if the human is rated 2000
>(which is still quite low) ?

Even humans that are rated lower than 2000 can reject computer moves and earn
from it if they do it only in rare cases.

>
>And then you assume that chess skill is the only variable here, but it
>definitely isn't. I hope Dieter Bürßner won't mind (too much) if I abuse him for
>an example  - I don't know if you have seen some of his really _amazing_
>analysis done with his own engine Yace posted here and in other fora. His human
>chess skills are quite low , but his knowledge about chessengines is _extremely_
>high of course. He can use his own chessengine and he can even make special
>changes to it to improve on its analysis abilities in a given position. Although
>I doubt he is stronger than 1400 as a human player I would be _very_ scared if I
>had to compete with him in an analysis competition if we both could use
>chessengines. Of course this is an extreme example.

Dieter posted some good analysis of endgame when going backward and forward and
learning is very important but I doubt if it is going to help
much in middle game positions when the lines are not forced.

Uri



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