Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 19:44:01 10/17/98
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If you're trying to decide between Junior 5 and Rebel 10, you will have a tough time doing it by strength. I suggest you find out about the features each program has, decide which you want more, and go for that one. Rebel's home page is at www.rebel.nl. There's a lot of information there about Rebel and other products from Ed's company. You can check out www.chessbase.com to find some information on Junior (and also other products). I am not sure if the developers of Junior have their own web site, but one of them is a moderator here, so he can feel free to mention it if there is one. :-) Dave Gomboc On October 17, 1998 at 15:00:57, Eran wrote: >On October 17, 1998 at 13:59:08, Dirk Frickenschmidt wrote: > >>On October 17, 1998 at 04:57:00, Alessio Iacovoni wrote: >> >>Hi Alessio, >> >>as Christophe Theron rightly claimed, it is not too decisive *how* a program >>reaches its playing strength, although fast searchers with strong tactics like >>Fritz5 or Junior5 are always convenient for a first tactical check when >>analyzing games. >> >>The thing I wonder about is your impression that Junior5 plays weak positionally >>while being fast: you know the old picture of the "stupid bean counters", which >>is still used by some. >> >>Now I did a lot of testing with Junior5 on a 200MMX, and I got just the opposite >>impression of what you got: >>while admittedly blundering just like any program I know from time to time (this >>definitely includes the so-called knowledge programs as well, and not only for >>tactical reasons but also for occasional weak positional play), I was *very* >>impressed by the versatile overall positional competence of Junior in all kinds >>of positions from opening to endgame. >> >>Perhaps you can post some of the weak moves you saw to make your point more >>concrete. Amir and Shay especially and anybody else using Junior will probably >>be interested. >> >>I am too: its always nice to know more about an interesting program. >> >>Regards >>from Dirk >> >> >>>Gambisoft posts: >>> >>>"Customers report unisono that JUNIOR 5 runs at top speed. We can >>>confirm this. With 350 MHz the search depth starts double digit most >>>of the time!" >>> >>>Results of the engine seem to support the claim that it is a very strong engine. >>>However, when running it against Fritz 5 and especially Hiarcs on Junior >>>platform I've got the impression that, fast as it may be, it is not intelligent >>>enough... sometimes it seems to make moves that not even a patzer would make. >>> >>>It may go 2 or 3 plies ahead of Crafty or Fritz.. but at the detriment of >>>position and basic chess rules. > >Dirk, > >Some recent posts here in the CCC about Junior5's strength did confuse me a >little bit. since I am neither a chess programmer nor an expert in chess >programming, I don't know what the phrase "stupid bean counters" means. Please >explain it to me. > >I have been hesitating for more than a week about whether to buy Junior5 or >Rebel10 due to my limited budget. Therefore, since I read the recent posts >about Junior5 and I favor slow games, I cannot know for sure which chess >program, Junior5 or Rebel10, is truly stronger and better for my playing style. > >I will appreciate that if you please explain clearly to me in plain English >about whether Junior5 is stronger and better than Rebel10 for any player who >likes to play slow games such as 40/120 ones. > >I look forward to reading from your repost in the CCC here. > >Thank you, >Eran
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