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Subject: Re: Weird position? You make the call!

Author: Tim Foden

Date: 00:38:17 05/29/03

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On May 28, 2003 at 17:28:46, John Merlino wrote:

>So, just for fun, I wondered what the situation would be if it were Black to
>move in this position.
>
>[D]4r1k1/qp1r1p2/2pb1Bp1/p6p/2PP1n1R/1P3P2/P4P2/2Q2K1R b
>
>And I discovered that, at least for The King, finding the relatively obvious (at
>least for a patzer like me) move Re6 is much more difficult than I thought it
>would be. Instead, The King plays with odd moves like Rde7(??), causing a big
>fail low that takes almost three minutes to finally resolve to Re6 on a P3-750.

Looks like it is probably a good test position.

GLC3.00 finds Re6 eventually, after 50 minutes at 14 ply!  My current
development version finds it after 27 minutes at 13 ply... whew!

Cheers, Tim.

Analysis:

GLC3.00, 48MB Hash, AXP 1.47GHz...

 Game stage: Middle game
 Current eval: 5.198
 Ply   Time   Score   Nodes  Principal variation
  4   0.571  +4.946    6400  Qb8 2. c5 Bc7 3. Kg1
  5   0.781  +5.193   11612  Qb8 2. c5 Bc7 3. Qc2 Re2
  5   1.041  +5.193   23216  Qb8 2. c5 Bc7 3. Qc2 Re2
  6   2.894  +4.963   65486  Qb8 2. Qb1 b5 3. c5 Bc7 4. Kg1
  6   3.545  +4.963   98981  Qb8 2. Qb1 b5 3. c5 Bc7 4. Kg1
  7   4.937  +5.178  222664  Qb8 2. Bg5 Ne2 3. Qb2 Bf4 4. Bxf4 Nxf4 5. Kg1
  7   5.237  +5.178  321583  Qb8 2. Bg5 Ne2 3. Qb2 Bf4 4. Bxf4 Nxf4 5. Kg1
  8   7.390  +4.958  644096  Qb8 2. Qb1 c5 3. Rg1 Re6 4. Qf5 Kf8 5. Qg5 cxd4 6.
                               Bxd4
  8   8.021  +4.958  917893  Qb8 2. Qb1 c5 3. Rg1 Re6 4. Qf5 Kf8 5. Qg5 cxd4 6.
                               Bxd4
  9  10.355  +4.967 2526107  Qb8 2. Be5 Bxe5 3. dxe5 Ne6 4. f4 Qd8 5. Ke1 Rd3
                               6. f5
  9  11.606  +4.967 3581870  Qb8 2. Be5 Bxe5 3. dxe5 Ne6 4. f4 Qd8 5. Ke1 Rd3
                               6. f5
 10  19.428  +4.567 9523742  Qb8 {--} 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Nxh5 4. Qg5+ Kh7 5.
                               Qxh5+ Kg8 6. Qg4+ Kh7 7. Qxd7 Re2
 10  19.989  +4.026 9991511  Qb8 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+ 4. Kxe1 Qe8+ 5. Kf1
                               Qe2+ 6. Kg1 Nxh5 7. Qg5+ Kf8 8. Qh6+ Ke8 9. Qh8+
                               Bf8 10. Qxh5 Qxa2
 10  23.083  +4.026  12655k  Qb8 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+ 4. Kxe1 Qe8+ 5. Kf1
                               Qe2+ 6. Kg1 Nxh5 7. Qg5+ Kf8 8. Qh6+ Ke8 9. Qh8+
                               Bf8 10. Qxh5 Qxa2
 11  36.883  +3.626  23802k  Qb8 {--} 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+ 4. Kxe1 Qe8+ 5.
                               Kf1 Qe2+ 6. Kg1 Nxh5 7. Qg5+ Kf8 8. Qxh5 Qxf2+
                               9. Kxf2 Bg3+ 10. Kxg3
 11  39.787  +3.016  26208k  Qb8 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+ 4. Kxe1 Qe8+ 5. Kf1
                               Qe2+ 6. Kg1 Nxh5 7. Qg5+ Kf8 8. Qxh5 Ke8 9. Qh8+
                               Bf8 10. Bg7
 11  57.482  +3.172  40200k  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 Qe5 5. Bh4
                               Qf5 {ht}
 11  58.604  +3.172  41255k  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 Qe5 5. Bh4
                               Qf5 {ht}
 12 1:01.65  +3.347  43594k  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 b5 5. cxb5
                               cxb5 6. Bc5 Qd2 7. Bb6 Qd5 8. Qxa5 Qxf3
 12 1:32.00  +3.347  68578k  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 b5 5. cxb5
                               cxb5 6. Bc5 Qd2 7. Bb6 Qd5 8. Qxa5 Qxf3
 13 1:39.78  +3.350  74424k  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 b5 5. cxb5
                               cxb5 6. Bh4 Qd2 7. Qc5 Qxa2 8. Qxb5
 13 2:22.20  +3.350 110239k  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 b5 5. cxb5
                               cxb5 6. Bh4 Qd2 7. Qc5 Qxa2 8. Qxb5
 14 6:21.66  +2.950 303114k  Rde7 {--} 2. Qxf4 Bxf4 3. Rxh5 gxh5 4. Rxh5 Re1+
                               5. Kg2 Rg1+ 6. Kxg1 Re1+ 7. Kg2 Rh1 8. Rxh1 Bh2
 14 10:12.0  -9.961 491515k  Rde7 2. Qxf4 Qxd4 3. Qxd4 Re1+ 4. Kg2 {ht}
 14 14:58.0  -5.302 716441k  Qb8 2. Qxf4 Re1+ 3. Kxe1 Bb4+ 4. Kd1 Qxf4 5. Rxf4
                               Rd6 6. a3 Bxa3 7. Be7 Rxd4+ 8. Rxd4 Bxe7 9. Rd7
                               Bc5 10. Kc1
 14 33:07.4  -2.309   1515m  a4 2. Qxf4 Bxf4 3. Rxh5 gxh5 4. Rxh5 Re1+ 5. Kxe1
                               Qa5+ 6. Rxa5 Rd6 7. Rf5 axb3 8. Rxf4 bxa2 9.
                               Rg4+ Kf8 10. Bg7+ Ke7
 14 50:04.2  +2.527   2259m  Re6 2. Rxf4 Bxf4 3. Qxf4 Qa8 4. Qg5 a4 5. Be5 axb3
                               6. axb3 Kf8 7. Qh6+ Ke7 8. Kg2 Qa2 9. Qe3
 14 51:27.4  +2.527   2323m  Re6 2. Rxf4 Bxf4 3. Qxf4 Qa8 4. Qg5 a4 5. Be5 axb3
                               6. axb3 Kf8 7. Qh6+ Ke7 8. Kg2 Qa2 9. Qe3
Analyse>exit
 local:  t=51:55.7  nps=752376.9  n=2344158197 (20.6% / 79.4%)
 total:  t=4:46:38  nps=758848.3  n=13050430316
 stats:  fh=88.3%/5.39%/2.107%  draws=394695
 trans:  probes=482073012  hits=47035601 (9.76%)  draft=36819390 (7.64%)
 tcuts:  exact=10136 (0.00%)  upper=23440001 (4.86%)  lower=9370195 (1.94%)
 tstor:  exact=15363 (0.01%)  upper=168712838 (67.46%)  lower=81353969 (32.53%)
 ext:  check=114474710  recap=7012649  ppush=3381383  1rep=11956741  thrt=0
 q-moves:  gen=1544113573  tested=721971840  made/un=260307680  max-dep=14
 max eval diff:  part-1=3.968  part-2=3.294


GLC development version, same settings...

 Game stage: Middle game
 Current eval: 4.491
 Ply   Time   Score   Nodes  Principal variation
  4   0.030  +4.562    6814  Qb8 2. Qd2 b6 3. Kg1
  5   0.040  +4.784   11732  Qb8 2. Qd2 b6 3. Rg1 Re2
  5   0.050  +4.784   23668  Qb8 2. Qd2 b6 3. Rg1 Re2
  6   0.150  +4.693   82321  Qb8 2. Qb1 b5 3. c5 Bf8 4. Kg1
  6   0.190  +4.693  108763  Qb8 2. Qb1 b5 3. c5 Bf8 4. Kg1
  7   0.501  +4.923  304146  Qb8 2. Bg5 Ne2 3. Qd1 Bc5 4. Bf6 Bb4
  7   0.621  +4.923  394816  Qb8 2. Bg5 Ne2 3. Qd1 Bc5 4. Bf6 Bb4
  8   1.502  +4.523 1015878  Qb8 {--} 2. Rxh5 Nxh5 3. Rxh5 gxh5 4. Qg5+ Kh7 5.
                               Qf5+ Kh6 6. Qxd7 Re2
  8   1.672  +3.567 1124346  Qb8 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+ 4. Kxe1 Qe8+ 5. Kf1
                               Qe2+ 6. Kg1 Nxh5 7. Qg5+ Kf8 8. Qxh5 Qxa2
  8   2.564  +3.567 1652932  Qb8 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+ 4. Kxe1 Qe8+ 5. Kf1
                               Qe2+ 6. Kg1 Nxh5 7. Qg5+ Kf8 8. Qxh5 Qxa2
  9   2.964  +3.511 1937707  Qb8 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+ 4. Kxe1 Qe8+ 5. Kf1
                               Qe2+ 6. Kg1 Nxh5 7. Qg5+ Kf8 8. Qh6+ Kg8 9. Qxh5
                               Qxa2
  9   6.559  +3.617 4117262  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 Qe5 5. Bc5
                               Bd2
  9   6.649  +3.617 4173481  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 Qe5 5. Bc5
                               Bd2
 10  13.359  +3.217 8506329  Rde7 {--} 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 Qe5 5.
                               Bc5 Bd2 6. Kg2
 10  13.770  +3.030 8764235  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 Qe5 5. Bc5
                               b5 6. Kg2
 10  15.132  +3.218 9571443  Qb8 {++} 2. Qd2
 10  18.937  +3.256  11866k  Qb8 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+ 4. Kxe1 Qe8+ 5. Kf1
                               Qe2+ 6. Kg1 Nxh5 7. Qg5+ Kf8 8. Qh6+ Ke8 9. Qh8+
                               Bf8 10. Qxh5 Qxa2
 10  18.937  +3.256  11866k  Qb8 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+ 4. Kxe1 Qe8+ 5. Kf1
                               Qe2+ 6. Kg1 Nxh5 7. Qg5+ Kf8 8. Qh6+ Ke8 9. Qh8+
                               Bf8 10. Qxh5 Qxa2
 11  24.185  +3.224  15289k  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 b6 5. Kg2
                               Qe5 6. Bh4 g5
 11  37.083  +3.224  23644k  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 b6 5. Kg2
                               Qe5 6. Bh4 g5
 12  39.326  +3.437  25017k  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 b6 5. Kg2
                               Qe5 6. Bh4 g5 7. Bg3
 12 1:01.03  +3.437  39502k  Rde7 2. Bxe7 Qxd4 3. Rxf4 Bxf4 4. Qa3 b6 5. Kg2
                               Qe5 6. Bh4 g5 7. Bg3
 13 2:42.36  +3.037 104105k  Rde7 {--} 2. Qxf4 Bxf4 3. Rxh5 gxh5 4. Rxh5 Re1+
                               5. Kg2 Bh6 6. Rxh6 Rh1 7. Rxh1 Re1 8. Rxe1 Qxd4
 13 2:44.28  +3.038 105204k  Rde7 {++} 2. Qxf4 Bxf4 3. Rxh5 gxh5 4. Rxh5 Re1+
                               5. Kg2 Rh1 6. Rxh1 Bh6 7. Bg5
 13 3:01.42  -1.617 115069k  Rde7 2. Qxf4 Bxf4 3. Rxh5 gxh5 4. Rxh5 Re1+ 5. Kg2
                               Bh6 {ht}
 13 27:06.2  +2.335 922574k  Re6 2. Rxf4 Bxf4 3. Qxf4 Rxf6 4. Qxf6 Rxd4 5. Ke2
                               Qc5 6. f4 a4 7. Qe5 Qxe5+ 8. fxe5 Re4+ 9. Kd3
                               Rxe5 10. bxa4
 13 27:35.1  +2.335 939094k  Re6 2. Rxf4 Bxf4 3. Qxf4 Rxf6 4. Qxf6 Rxd4 5. Ke2
                               Qc5 6. f4 a4 7. Qe5 Qxe5+ 8. fxe5 Re4+ 9. Kd3
                               Rxe5 10. bxa4
 14 28:24.8  +2.393 968231k  Re6 2. Rxf4 Rxf6 3. Rxf6 Qxd4 4. Rxd6 Rxd6 5. Kg2
                               Qd2 6. c5 Qxc1 7. Rxc1 Rd2 8. a3 h4
 14 31:35.1  +2.393   1076m  Re6 2. Rxf4 Rxf6 3. Rxf6 Qxd4 4. Rxd6 Rxd6 5. Kg2
                               Qd2 6. c5 Qxc1 7. Rxc1 Rd2 8. a3 h4
 15 34:01.1  +2.303   1164m  Re6 2. Rxf4 Bxf4 3. Qxf4 Rxf6 4. Qxf6 Rxd4 5. Ke2
                               Qc5 6. Rg1 Rd6 7. Rg5 Qb4 8. Qb2 f5
Analyse>exit
 local:  t=36:48.9  nps=570067.4  n=1259247997 (20.5% / 79.5%)
 total:  t=36:48.9  nps=570067.4  n=1259247997
 stats:  fh=89.4%/5.13%/2.001%  draws=297287
 trans:  probes=258167522  hits=27370795 (10.60%)  draft=20370813 (7.89%)
 tcuts:  exact=10568 (0.00%)  upper=12475105 (4.83%)  lower=5185688 (2.01%)
 tstor:  exact=15718 (0.01%)  upper=85682507 (66.99%)  lower=42213117 (33.00%)
 ext:  check=57066286  recap=3595987  ppush=1744484  1rep=17881320  thrt=0
 q-moves:  gen=834625924  tested=381538986  made/un=138543142  max-dep=13
 max eval diff:  part-1=7.630  part-2=3.895



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