Author: Torstein Hall
Date: 08:02:19 05/29/03
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On May 29, 2003 at 08:29:28, David H. McClain wrote: >On May 29, 2003 at 07:04:35, Torstein Hall wrote: > >>On May 29, 2003 at 04:16:15, James Constance wrote: >> >>>From Chessbase.com >>> >>>Shredder tops the computer rankings – again! >>>28.05.2003 This must be a bit alarming for Fritz. For the second time in a row >>>Shredder has topped the SSDF (Chess Computer Association) ranking list, based on >>>over 90,000 games played by 253 computers. Interestingly, the first program that >>>is not published by ChessBase is ranked number 14. Blush. >>> >>>I think it's a bit rich that they claim the top 13 positions, bearing in mind >>>the King is not being tested and Rebel is only in position 14 because there are >>>multiple versions of Shredder, Fritz and Chess Tiger. >>> >>>I do not feel that the list portrays engine strength very objectively. I'm all >>>for another list. >> >>I feel you are on a mud throwing campain. If you do not like the SSDF list just >>go out and make your own better list! And please go on and play enough games >>manually with the King so we get a statistically significant result. Hint: It >>will take you quite a while.....:-) >> >>Torstein > >Torstein, > >SSDF is the proclaimed tester and evaluator of Chess programs. I don't think >the statement James made is mud throwing. Everyone would like to see a complete >evaluation of ALL chess programs and SSDF does not provide it, namely with >Chessmaster 9000. Whether this is intentional or not is unknown to me but it >certainly appears on the surface that SSDF is biased. Chessmaster 9000 has been >out long enough to have made a fair and unbiased evaluation and SSDF has not >done that. There is no excuse for this while continuing to publish >"updated" SSDF lists. These updated lists continue to ignore Chessmaster 9000. If they could autoplay it of course you are right, but to manually play 120 games or whatever is needed to get a reliabel rating is not something most of us like to do! If you want, just get two PC's and sit there and make the moves. Preferably not fall to sleep so your game is unvalid. Remember they do this for their own interest. You, and evereybody else, are free to make your own list(s). What I do not like is mud throwing like sponsored by CB, dislike ot the King, etc. etc. Torstein > >You read the SSDF list and seem to be content in in accepting half truths which >is what SSDF is providing because Chessmaster 9000 is not included. It appears >you are sticking your head in the sand in an attempt to ignore the facts.
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