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Subject: Re: Shredder 7.04 too agressive ?

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 11:05:44 05/30/03

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On May 30, 2003 at 09:57:22, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 30, 2003 at 09:34:58, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On May 30, 2003 at 08:46:07, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>
>>>On May 30, 2003 at 08:22:07, m.d.hurd wrote:
>>>
>>>>If your interested. Athlon 2100 XP 1024 pc2700 ram. The point is why did
>>>>Shredder play Rook takes Bishop ?
>>>
>>>Because it was necessary. It was the best chance in this position.
>>>Otherwise black would have a decisive attack against the white King.
>>>This was not at all over-agressive.
>>>Black played agressive chess in this game.
>>>
>>>Michael
>>
>>The real question is why did Shredder play 52.Qd2 when after this move it is
>>forced to sacrifice the rook for a bishop when there was a better
>>alternative(52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qe3 with repetition).
>>
>>It seems that Shredder lost because it did not want a draw.
>>If aggresive chess mean trying to win when it is impossible to do it then it
>>means that shredder was too aggresive.
>>
>>[D]8/3Rp1k1/4qbpp/P2R1p2/4p2P/2r1Q1P1/5P2/5K2 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Shredder 7.04:
>>
>>52.a6 Rxe3 53.fxe3
>>  -+  (-3.11)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
>>52.a6 Rxe3 53.fxe3 Qxa6+ 54.Kf2
>>  -+  (-4.60)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
>>52.a6 Qxa6+ 53.Ke1 Rxe3+ 54.fxe3
>>  -+  (-4.07)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
>>52.R5d6 Qxd6 53.Rxd6 Rxe3
>>  -+  (-3.93)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
>>52.R5d6 Qxd6 53.Rxd6 Rxe3
>>  -+  (-3.93)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
>>52.Qb6
>>  ±  (1.04)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
>>52.Qb6
>>  +-  (2.74)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
>>52.Qb6
>>  +-  (2.74)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
>>52.Qb6 Qg8
>>  +-  (2.41)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
>>52.Qb6 Qg8
>>  +-  (2.41)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
>>52.Qb6 Rc1+ 53.Kg2 Qxb6
>>  +-  (2.16)   Depth: 3/7   00:00:00
>>52.Qb6 Rc1+ 53.Kg2 Qg8
>>  +-  (2.27)   Depth: 3/7   00:00:00
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb7 Ra6
>>  +-  (2.32)   Depth: 4/9   00:00:00
>>52.Qb6 Rc1+ 53.Kg2 Rc6 54.Qb7 Ra6
>>  +-  (2.26)   Depth: 5/14   00:00:00
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb7 Ra6 54.Kg1 Kh7
>>  +-  (2.49)   Depth: 6/14   00:00:00  17kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc1+ 53.Kg2 Rc6 54.Qb7 Ra6 55.Qc8 Kh7
>>  +-  (2.37)   Depth: 7/17   00:00:00  49kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb7 Ra6 54.h5 e3 55.hxg6 exf2 56.Kxf2 Kxg6
>>  +-  (2.49)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:01  138kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb7 e3 54.fxe3 Qxe3 55.Rd1 Qf3+ 56.Kg1
>>  +-  (2.24)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:01  204kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb5 Rc2 54.Rd2 Rxd2 55.Rxd2 Bc3 56.Rd5 Qc8
>>  +-  (2.02)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:02  325kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb5 Rc2 54.Rd2 Rc1+ 55.Rd1 Rxd1+ 56.Rxd1 Qa2 57.Qa4 Qxa4
>>  +-  (1.98)   Depth: 10/22   00:00:04  622kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb5 f4 54.h5 Qh3+ 55.Kg1 fxg3 56.hxg6 Rc1+ 57.Rd1 Qh2+ 58.Kf1
>>Qxf2#
>>  +-  (1.73)   Depth: 11/28   00:00:09  1473kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb3 Rc3 54.Qb5 e3 55.Qb6 Rc1+ 56.Rd1 Rxd1+ 57.Kg2 Qxd7 58.h5
>>  ±  (1.27)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:21  3597kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb3 Rc3 54.Qb5 e3 55.Qe2 Ra3 56.Rd8 Bc3 57.Qxe3 Qxe3
>>  ±  (1.21)   Depth: 12/38   00:00:44  7695kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb3 f4 54.Kg2 e3 55.gxf4 e2 56.R5d6 Qxb3 57.Rxe7+ Bxe7 58.Rxc6 e1Q
>>  ±  (0.96)   Depth: 13/38   00:01:45  17853kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb1 e3 54.fxe3 f4 55.Qe1 fxe3 56.g4 Rc2 57.Rxe7+ Bxe7
>>  ²  (0.48)   Depth: 13/38   00:02:43  27056kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qb1 f4 54.Qb5 fxg3 55.Rg5 Qxd7 56.Rc5 Bxh4 57.Qxc6 Qxc6 58.fxg3
>>Qxc5
>>  =  (0.23)   Depth: 14/43   00:07:53  76930kN
>>52.Qb6 Rc6 53.Qe3
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/43   00:11:48  115350kN
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-Aviv 30.05.2003)
>>
>>
>>Uri
>
>I continued to analyze with shredder and got the following(No Qd2):
>
>
>52.R5d6 Qe5 53.Qe2 Qxa5
>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 14/43   00:14:16  138892kN
>52.R5d6 Qe5 53.Qb6 e3 54.g4 exf2 55.Qe3 Rxe3 56.Rxe7+ Bxe7 57.Rxg6+ Kxg6
>58.gxf5+ Qxf5
>  =  (0.21)   Depth: 14/43   00:15:50  154063kN
>52.Qf4 e3 53.R5d6 e2+ 54.Ke1 Qa2 55.Rxf6 Qb1+ 56.Kxe2 Rc2+ 57.Rd2 Qb5+ 58.Kf3
>Rc3+ 59.Kg2 Rxg3+
>  =  (0.22)   Depth: 14/43   00:18:19  177963kN
>52.Qf4 Rf3 53.Qd6 Qxd6 54.R5xd6 e3 55.Re6 Rxf2+ 56.Ke1 Rf3 57.h5 Rxg3 58.hxg6 f4
>59.Rdxe7+ Bxe7
>  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 14/43   00:20:21  198253kN
>52.Qf4 Rf3 53.Qd6 Qxd6 54.R5xd6 e3 55.Re6 Rxf2+ 56.Ke1 Rf3 57.a6 Rxg3 58.a7 Rg1+
>59.Ke2 Ra1 60.Kxe3 Bxh4
>  =  (0.18)   Depth: 15/43   00:23:14  227474kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-Aviv 30.05.2003)
>
>Uri

White should go for a Repetition of moves with 52.Qb6.
Black is the side who has the winning chances here if White dares to play on.

Michael



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