Author: Mike S.
Date: 14:32:07 05/30/03
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On May 30, 2003 at 16:52:24, Reinhard Scharnagl wrote: >(...) >Indeed there is a problem: to convince some fanatic Shuffle Chess fans for FRC >castling to be as easy as it is. Actually I'm a fan of classical chess, much more than of Shuffle Chess. :-) >>It's really a pity that you have chosen FRC and not Shuffle for your idea >>(because I think your intention fits to Shuffle as good as to FRC; it's is a >>very good approach to examine an engines general opening abilities). > >The pity is that you still keep favorizing Shuffle Chess. In general I don't favour it, but it seems useful to me to explore the opening abilities (incl. flexibility) of engines. Of course FRC is capable of serving the same purpose, if the engines know the FRC castling rules. >This argument seems to hold, but I don't want to help to establish that wrong >approach, only because to support some possible 'lazy' programmers. I want to >have it all - may be slowly but fully convincing then. One reason why people may be difficult to convince of the "usefullness" of FRC (or even of both FRC and Shuffle) for computerchess, is: Their estimation of the engine's opening capabilities may be different. Actually my own impression is, that most engines know the general opening principles very well. I don't know if you have investigated that yet, or to which extent. I think the problem may be much smaller than you seem to assume. Of course, engines won't deliever perfect opening theory within a few seconds, but... they hardly are going make *big* opening blunders. At least not the pros. But anyway... good luck for your proposal. mfg. Michael Scheidl P.S. I think there are some engines which play "wild 2" on ICC. I'm not 100% sure though and/or which engines do this. AFAIK wild 2 this is Shuffle (only; maybe incl. standard castling?), but it could be interesting for you. If I'm not wrong, there should be thousands of games to examine related to the opening abilites topic, certainly incl. some from standard times 15+ minutes. http://www.chessclub.com/
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