Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 02:22:08 05/31/03
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On May 31, 2003 at 05:02:33, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On May 31, 2003 at 04:13:54, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>I am glad that SSDF decited to test Shredder 7.04 under UCI gui. >> >>The reason is that this program may be the first one to cross the 1800 Elo >>barrier on the SSDF list. >> >>Some time ago I stated that 7.04 was about 20 points stronger that 7.0, but this >>was based looking some game of a previous version. In reality, and testing made >>by many chess funs, gives a little more: >>betwen 22 to 30 points. >> >>So, considering that the UCI gui with tournament book selection should give at >>least 15 points more, it possible to get a rating on a K7 1200 of 2805 to 2810 >>Elo points. >> >>We'll see if these considerations will be confirmed. >> >>About the SSDF not willing to test CM9000 I think people that do not know SSDF >>long enough like me, are saing unfair things on them. >> >>First of all they do this as a hobby and because they love computer chess. To >>claim that their are sponsored by ChessBase is so “non sense” and does not need >>any reply. > > I fully agree. What was the intention of those people who > assumed this?? > Kurt Hi Kurt, I think I know... >> >>What a programmer should do to have its program tested is to send them 3 copies >>of the program with clear instructions for settings and how to run it. >>Also that program MUST include the autoplayer as it would take TOO MANY human >>resources to test it in the normal way, like when the autoplayer was not >>available. >> >>The point is that if they have TO USE ALL THEIR TESTERS to test a program in >>the “old” way, this would probably not be acceptable to them as other >>programmers would complain. >> >>I do not know how many testers they have now because the latest contacts I had >>with them were about 10 year ago. >> >>I personally DO NOT and WILL NOT BUY or run ANY CHESS PROGRAM, even if 4000 Elo >>strong if does not have the autoplayer. >> >>I also believe that using a different book for running a program is no sense as >>the opening book is part of the program. > > Makes sense if a book is properly adapted to the playing style > of the program. This may be the case for Shredder 7.04 under > classic GUI and for the Fritz8 book. But most books are simply > a collection of good games. And you already know: I am more > interested in playing strength of the pure engine than of > the opening books. Hence, I will continue using the good > draw book [remis.ctg] when testing programs in engine/engine > matches. On the other hand I think the influence of a special > book is overestimated. From our experience with the good > remis.ctg we can confirm that Shredder704 has won all matches > we have ever played. I therefore see/saw no negative aspects > for Shredder704 with the remis.ctg instead of its own book. > Kurt I was not referring on your tests, but in general. For me a good book should also give a special "opening" style, trying to simulate a "human player" in some meanings. It is just my opinion. I do like your testing and believe they are interesting. Ciao Sandro >> >>It is like to drive a Ferrari with another engine. It is not the same and to me >>means nothing. >> >>I know some people will not agree, but even if I respect them and their >>opininions I have my own opinion which I stated above. >> >>Ciao >>Sandro
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