Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 02:35:01 05/31/03
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On May 31, 2003 at 04:51:42, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 31, 2003 at 04:13:54, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>I am glad that SSDF decited to test Shredder 7.04 under UCI gui. >> >>The reason is that this program may be the first one to cross the 1800 Elo >>barrier on the SSDF list. >> >>Some time ago I stated that 7.04 was about 20 points stronger that 7.0, but this >>was based looking some game of a previous version. In reality, and testing made >>by many chess funs, gives a little more: >>betwen 22 to 30 points. >> >>So, considering that the UCI gui with tournament book selection should give at >>least 15 points more, it possible to get a rating on a K7 1200 of 2805 to 2810 >>Elo points. >> >>We'll see if these considerations will be confirmed. >> >>About the SSDF not willing to test CM9000 I think people that do not know SSDF >>long enough like me, are saing unfair things on them. >> >>First of all they do this as a hobby and because they love computer chess. To >>claim that their are sponsored by ChessBase is so “non sense” and does not need >>any reply. >> >>What a programmer should do to have its program tested is to send them 3 copies >>of the program with clear instructions for settings and how to run it. >>Also that program MUST include the autoplayer as it would take TOO MANY human >>resources to test it in the normal way, like when the autoplayer was not >>available. >> >>The point is that if they have TO USE ALL THEIR TESTERS to test a program in >>the “old” way, this would probably not be acceptable to them as other >>programmers would complain. >> >>I do not know how many testers they have now because the latest contacts I had >>with them were about 10 year ago. >> >>I personally DO NOT and WILL NOT BUY or run ANY CHESS PROGRAM, even if 4000 Elo >>strong if does not have the autoplayer. >> >>I also believe that using a different book for running a program is no sense as >>the opening book is part of the program. >> >>It is like to drive a Ferrari with another engine. It is not the same and to me >>means nothing. Hi Uri, > >I think that knowing the value of the book in rating may be interesting so >having another entry for shredder7.04 with another book may be productive >because we can see how much rating does shredder earn from your work. Yes, but Shredder 7.04 is similar to 7.0. I mean that can use the same book because it is faster and more refined, but the style and preferred positions are similar. I have already started working on the next Shredder 8.0 book, but now I have to prepare for the 2003 WCCC, so I must concentrate on that. > >I also think that testing engines in something similiar to the nunn match when >you use different positions in every year may be interesting. Yes, I agree, but "openings preparations" is part of chess and is something that brings "phicology" to chess games. Without this I think they are less fun. > >It is possible simply to choose random positions from games of GM's in the last >year after the first novelty or move that was not played in the past so usually >the programs will not be able to use books. OK, but "surprise" on the openings are part of the fun in this game. At least to me. > >Uri Ciao Sandro
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