Author: Alex
Date: 09:08:10 05/31/03
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On May 31, 2003 at 10:47:45, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On May 31, 2003 at 10:31:21, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On May 31, 2003 at 10:16:21, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On May 31, 2003 at 04:13:54, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>I am glad that SSDF decited to test Shredder 7.04 under UCI gui. >>>> >>>>The reason is that this program may be the first one to cross the 1800 Elo >>>>barrier on the SSDF list. >>>> >>>>Some time ago I stated that 7.04 was about 20 points stronger that 7.0, but this >>>>was based looking some game of a previous version. In reality, and testing made >>>>by many chess funs, gives a little more: >>>>betwen 22 to 30 points. >>>> >>>>So, considering that the UCI gui with tournament book selection should give at >>>>least 15 points more, it possible to get a rating on a K7 1200 of 2805 to 2810 >>>>Elo points. >>>> >>>>We'll see if these considerations will be confirmed. >>>> >>>>About the SSDF not willing to test CM9000 I think people that do not know SSDF >>>>long enough like me, are saing unfair things on them. >>>> >>>>First of all they do this as a hobby and because they love computer chess. To >>>>claim that their are sponsored by ChessBase is so “non sense” and does not need I CANNOT AGREE >>>>any reply. >>>> >>>>What a programmer should do to have its program tested is to send them 3 copies >>>>of the program with clear instructions for settings and how to run it. >>>>Also that program MUST include the autoplayer as it would take TOO MANY human >>>>resources to test it in the normal way, like when the autoplayer was not >>>>available. >>>> >>>>The point is that if they have TO USE ALL THEIR TESTERS to test a program in >>>>the “old” way, this would probably not be acceptable to them as other >>>>programmers would complain. >>>> >>>>I do not know how many testers they have now because the latest contacts I had >>>>with them were about 10 year ago. >>>> >>>>I personally DO NOT and WILL NOT BUY or run ANY CHESS PROGRAM, even if 4000 Elo >>>>strong if does not have the autoplayer. >>> >>>I agree with you, I bought all the previous version of CM from CM2100 back in >>>1989 to CM 8000. But since they never heard our request to add an autoplayer I >>>decided to not buy any more CM programs. >>>> >>>>I also believe that using a different book for running a program is no sense as >>>>the opening book is part of the program. >>>> >>>>It is like to drive a Ferrari with another engine. It is not the same and to me >>>>means nothing. >>> >>>I have to congratulate you for making such an excellent Opening book which of >>>course is part of the program. Just to give you an idea of how much your Opening >>>book constribute to the high SSDF Elo of Shredder being on first place, I >>>decided to test Shredder 7 vs Friz 8.008 both without opening Books and Fritz >>>after 12 games at G/60 is leading by two points so far W6 D2 L4. >>> >>>Jorge >> >>I do not care about shredder7 because 7.04 is the best version and a result of >>7-5 in 12 games are too small to get conclusions. >> >>Uri > >Somebody else can test Shredder 7.04 under UCI against fritz 8.008 without >Books, but i will continue my own test up to 50 games. I also noticed a little >improvement with Movei after I started using the Frenzee Opening Book, but there >are better opening books available. > >Jorge WHy not CHESS BASE test CM 9000 under UCI?? Is it THAT tuff? It appears SUSPICIOUS.........
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