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Subject: Re: I am glad SSDF is testing Shredder 7.04 under UCI

Author: Alex

Date: 09:08:10 05/31/03

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On May 31, 2003 at 10:47:45, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On May 31, 2003 at 10:31:21, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On May 31, 2003 at 10:16:21, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On May 31, 2003 at 04:13:54, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am glad that SSDF decited to test Shredder 7.04 under UCI gui.
>>>>
>>>>The reason is that this program may be the first one to cross the 1800 Elo
>>>>barrier on the SSDF list.
>>>>
>>>>Some time ago I stated that 7.04 was about 20 points stronger that 7.0, but this
>>>>was based looking some game of a previous version. In reality, and testing made
>>>>by many chess funs, gives a little more:
>>>>betwen 22 to 30 points.
>>>>
>>>>So, considering that the UCI gui with tournament book selection should give at
>>>>least 15 points more, it possible to get a rating on a K7 1200 of 2805 to 2810
>>>>Elo points.
>>>>
>>>>We'll see if these considerations will be confirmed.
>>>>
>>>>About the SSDF not willing to test CM9000 I think people that do not know SSDF
>>>>long enough like me, are saing unfair things on them.
>>>>
>>>>First of all they do this as a hobby and because they love computer chess. To
>>>>claim that their are sponsored by ChessBase is so “non sense” and does not need      I CANNOT AGREE
>>>>any reply.
>>>>
>>>>What a programmer should do to have its program tested is to send them 3 copies
>>>>of the program with clear instructions for settings and how to run it.
>>>>Also that program MUST include the autoplayer as it would take TOO MANY human
>>>>resources to test it in the normal way, like when the autoplayer was not
>>>>available.
>>>>
>>>>The point  is that if they have TO USE ALL THEIR TESTERS to test a program in
>>>>the “old” way, this would probably not be acceptable to them as other
>>>>programmers would complain.
>>>>
>>>>I do not know how many testers they have now because the latest contacts I had
>>>>with them were about 10 year ago.
>>>>
>>>>I personally DO NOT and WILL NOT BUY or run ANY CHESS PROGRAM, even if 4000 Elo
>>>>strong if does not have the autoplayer.
>>>
>>>I agree with you, I bought all the previous version of CM from CM2100 back in
>>>1989 to CM 8000. But since they never heard our request to add an autoplayer I
>>>decided to not buy any more CM programs.
>>>>
>>>>I also believe that using a different book for running a program is no sense as
>>>>the opening book is part of the program.
>>>>
>>>>It is like to drive a Ferrari with another engine. It is not the same and to me
>>>>means nothing.
>>>
>>>I have to congratulate you for making such an excellent Opening book which of
>>>course is part of the program. Just to give you an idea of how much your Opening
>>>book constribute to the high SSDF Elo of Shredder being on first place, I
>>>decided to test Shredder 7 vs Friz 8.008 both without opening Books and Fritz
>>>after 12 games at G/60 is leading by two points so far W6 D2 L4.
>>>
>>>Jorge
>>
>>I do not care about shredder7 because 7.04 is the best version and a result of
>>7-5 in 12 games are too small to get conclusions.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Somebody else can test Shredder 7.04 under UCI against fritz 8.008 without
>Books, but i will continue my own test up to 50 games. I also noticed a little
>improvement with Movei after I started using the Frenzee Opening Book, but there
>are better opening books available.
>
>Jorge
 WHy not CHESS BASE test CM 9000 under UCI?? Is it THAT tuff?  It appears
SUSPICIOUS.........



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