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Subject: Re: Opening lines with most legal moves?

Author: Michel Langeveld

Date: 16:10:40 05/31/03

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On May 31, 2003 at 18:15:39, David Dahlem wrote:

>On May 31, 2003 at 17:26:19, Michel Langeveld wrote:
>
>>On May 31, 2003 at 15:50:16, David Dahlem wrote:
>>
>>>I am searching for some standard opening lines that result in 50 or more legal
>>>moves. For example, this line of the Bishop's Opening results in 55 legal moves.
>>>
>>>1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. Qxd4 Nf6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Nc3 c6 8.
>>>O-O-O d5 *
>>>
>>>I want to run theme tournaments using these openings. Anyone know where i can
>>>find a list or examples of openings like this? And does anyone know what
>>>standard opening line results in the most legal moves?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>Dave
>>
>>When I first generated I got a LOT!!
>>
>>So I generated then with some restrictions:
>>* Have at least 50 legal moves in the last position of the line
>>* Restricted maximum ply to 14
>>* Each move of the line doesn't have a CAP Score (CAP was such a really cool
>>project!!) less than -.50 or more as +.50
>>* My line generation out of my book should automatically omit doubles
>>
>>1.d4 d5 2.e4 e6 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Qd5 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Nf3 Nf6 7.Bd3 [51]
>>1.d4 d5 2.e4 e6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Bb4 5.exd5 Qxd5 6.Bd3 Nf6 7.o-o [52]
>>1.d4 d5 2.e4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Be3 c5 6.Nf3 cxd4 7.Qxd4 Nc6 [51]
>>1.d4 d5 2.e4 e6 3.Nd2 c5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.dxc5 Bxc5 6.Ngf3 Nf6 7.c3 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.e4 c6 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Nc6 5.cxd5 Qxd5 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.Be2 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.e4 c6 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bg5 dxc4 7.Bxc4 Qb6 [52]
>>1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bf4 e6 4.Qd3 Na6 5.a3 c5 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 Bg4 4.cxd5 Qxd5 5.Nc3 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.c4 c5 5.Nc3 cxd4 6.Nxd4 dxc4 7.Bxc4 Bc5 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 c5 4.e3 Nc6 5.c3 e6 6.Bb5 cxd4 7.Nxd4 Bd7 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6 3.cxd5 Qxd5 4.e3 e5 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Nge2 [51]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6 3.cxd5 Qxd5 4.e3 e5 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Nge2 Bf5 7.Bd2 [58]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6 3.cxd5 Qxd5 4.e3 e5 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Bd2 [51]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Nbd7 6.e3 c6 7.Bd3 Bd6 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 o-o 7.Bd3 Nbd7 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 o-o 7.Bd3 h6 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 o-o 7.Bd3 c6 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 Nbd7 7.Bd3 o-o [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 c6 7.Bd3 Nbd7 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 c6 7.Bd3 Na6 [50]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bf4 Be7 6.e3 o-o 7.Bd3 Nc6 [51]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bf4 Be7 6.e3 c6 7.Bd3 o-o [52]
>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.cxd5 exd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bf4 Be7 6.Qc2 c6 7.e3 Nbd7 [51]
>>1.d4 Nc6 2.e4 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.Nf3 Bg4 5.Nc3 [50]
>>1.d4 Nc6 2.e4 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.Be3 e5 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.dxe5 [54]
>>1.d4 Nc6 2.e4 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.Be3 e5 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Qd2 [51]
>>1.d4 Nc6 2.e4 e5 3.Nf3 exd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Bg5 Be7 6.Nf5 h6 [50]
>>1.d4 Nc6 2.e4 e5 3.Nf3 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Be3 Qf6 6.c3 Nge7 7.Bc4 Ne5 [50]
>>1.d4 Nc6 2.e4 e5 3.Nf3 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Be3 Qf6 6.c3 Nge7 7.Bc4 Qg6 [51]
>>1.d4 Nc6 2.e4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Bb5 dxe4 5.Ne5 Nge7 6.Qh5 g6 [54]
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 c5 4.Nc3 cxd4 5.Qxd4 d5 [51]
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 c5 4.Nc3 cxd4 5.Qxd4 d5 6.e4 Nc6 [53]
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 c5 4.Nc3 cxd4 5.Qxd4 Nc6 [53]
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 d5 5.cxd5 Qxd5 6.Nf3 [51]
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 d5 5.cxd5 Qxd5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.e3 [52]
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 d5 5.cxd5 Qxd5 6.Nf3 Qf5 7.Qd1 [51]
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 c5 5.dxc5 o-o 6.Bf4 Bxc5 7.Nf3 d5 [51]
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 c5 5.dxc5 o-o 6.Bf4 Bxc5 7.Nf3 Nc6 [50]
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bf4 Bg7 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.Nxd5 Qxd5 7.Nf3 [50]
>>1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Nc3 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6 [50]
>>1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Nf3 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 Nf6 6.Be3 d6 7.Bc4 Be7 [52]
>>1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Nf3 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 Nc6 7.Bc4 Be7 [54]
>>1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Nf3 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.Bg5 Nc6 [51]
>>1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Nf3 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.Bg5 Be7 [52]
>>1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Bb5 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6 [52]
>>1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Be2 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6 [52]
>>1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Be2 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Qd3 Ne5 6.Qg3 Nc6 [50]
>>1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Be2 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Qd3 Ne5 6.Qg3 Nc6 7.Be3 d5 [50]
>>1.d4 c5 2.e4 cxd4 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bc4 Bd7 [50]
>>1.d4 c5 2.e4 cxd4 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.Nxd4 Qb6 5.Nf5 d5 6.Qxd5 Nf6 [54]
>>1.d4 c5 2.e4 cxd4 3.Nf3 d6 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Bc4 Bg7 [50]
>>1.d4 c5 2.e4 cxd4 3.Nf3 d6 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 Nc6 6.Bc4 a6 [50]
>>1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.Be2 Nc6 5.Nc3 [52]
>>1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Ne2 e5 4.Nec3 Qd4 5.Be2 [50]
>>1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Ne2 e5 4.Nec3 Qd4 5.Be2 Bc5 6.o-o Bf5 7.d3 [50]
>>1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.d4 Nxd5 4.Be2 Bf5 5.Nf3 e6 6.a3 Bd6 7.c4 [50]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.d3 d5 5.Bg5 Bb4 6.exd5 Qxd5 7.Be2 [52]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 4.d4 Nxe4 5.Bd3 d5 6.dxe5 Bg4 7.o-o [50]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qxd4 d5 6.exd6 Nxd6 [52]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qxd4 d5 6.exd6 Nxd6 7.Bg5 Nc6 [55]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qxd4 d5 6.exd6 Nxd6 7.Bg5 f6 [52]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qxd4 d5 6.exd6 Nxd6 7.Bd3 Nc6 [56]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qxd4 f5 6.exf6 Nxf6 [52]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qxd4 f5 6.exf6 Nxf6 7.Be2 Nc6 [55]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Qe7 5.Be2 Ng4 6.Qxd4 d6 [51]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 exd4 4.e5 Qe7 5.Be2 Ng4 6.Qxd4 d6 7.exd6 Qxd6 [53]
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.dxe5 d5 5.Nbd2 Bf5 6.Bd3 Bb4 7.Qe2 [50]
>>1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 dxe4 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Qe2 Be7 6.Nxe4 Nxe4 7.Qxe4 Bf6 [52]
>>1.g3 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Qe7 4.Bg2 Nc6 [53]
>>1.g3 e5 2.Bg2 d6 3.d4 exd4 4.Qxd4 Be7 [53]
>>1.g3 e5 2.Bg2 d6 3.d4 exd4 4.Qxd4 Be7 5.Nc3 Bf6 [53]
>>1.g3 e5 2.Bg2 d6 3.d4 exd4 4.Qxd4 Be7 5.Nh3 Nf6 [53]
>>1.g3 e5 2.c4 d5 3.cxd5 Qxd5 4.Nf3 Bb4 5.Nc3 [51]
>>Searched in a book of 324405 records.
>>Converted 73 records to lines.
>>
>>If the lines get longer the number of positions also rise.
>>This lines gives 65 legal positions:
>>1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.c4 Be7 5.Nc3 o-o 6.cxd5 exd5 7.Bd3 c6 8.o-o Nbd7 9.a
>>4 Qc7 10.a5 c5 11.Bd2 Qc6 12.Re1 Ne4 13.Qc2 Nxd2 14.Qxd2 Nf6 15.Bb5 Qc7 16.dxc5
>>Qxc5 17.a6 Rb8 18.axb7 Bxb7 19.Qd4 Ne4 20.Bd3 Nxc3 21.bxc3 Ra8 22.Reb1 Bc6 23.Ra
>>6 Rfc8 24.Ne5 Be8 25.Bf5 Rc7 [65]
>>
>>Good luck with it!!
>
>Thanks Michel
>This looks like just what i'm looking for. How did you generate these lines?
>
>Dave

I can generate these lines out of an openingbook of nullmover.
I have to tweak sourcecode to do this.

Michel



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