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Subject: Re:p4 beats amd at chess finally! is there anything AMD can do right

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 16:39:27 05/31/03

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On May 31, 2003 at 19:29:55, Rajen Gupta wrote:

>extrapolating the scores of both the 2375 athlon as well as the 2167 athlon
>posted on the link below would give a score of between 1267 and 1277 for an
>athlon 2250.
>
>yeah i know all about the JIUHB or AIUHB or whatever the new steppings are
>supposed to be. they are available at www.overclockers.co.uk and at
>www.cpucity.co.uk
>and irrespective of what you or the enthusuast's websites say, a safe stable
>overclock of greater than 2400 is more a figure of fantasy than fact; 2300 seems
>to be just about achieveable on a stable basis; and this is proven by a couple
>of my friends who have failed to achieve better than 2300 or threabouts with the
>exact same CPU;asus motherboard;expensive HSFfan and voltage overclock; yadda
>yadda yadda) (u are the only person i have heard of who repeatedly claims  to
>get these wonderful overclockable CPU's; god alone knows from where?)

They are easily attainable, by me. :) The 2.4GHz/1.85v chips work flawlessly
with average cooling in normal KT333/KT400 & Nforce2 motherboards. I have sold
MANY of them so far and I don't know of a single person that has yet to have a
problem, and many have pushed my 2.4GHz/1.85v rated chips to 2.5GHz/2.00v.
It's definitely not a fantasy.

I don't know how credible that list is, but in my own controlled tests I tried
Fritz 8 and Shredder 7 with a P4-2.53 @ 3.32ghz vs my XP 2.5GHz.. the XP won, as
well as in many other tests I ran. Only 1 thing did the P4 beat the XP 2.5 in
and that was by like 1/2 a percent.. and that was gzip in linux.

From the testing I've done I'll definitely be sticking with AMD... unless Intel
magically pops out a 5GHz P4. That'd be the absolute minimum for me to switch
over to Intel. Too many things run "super slow", like RC5, OGR, AES encryption,
etc, which would need a P4 running 5-6ghz to equal my XP 2.5.

If I had a P4 I'd be constantly asking myself, "Hmm, if I ran this on an Athlon
would it too run 2x faster?". With what I have now it's always fast, all the
time.

>>>the website linked below shows that the fastest p4 has finally beaten the
>>>fastest AMD (barton 3200 which runs at 2200mhz; cant be too different from the
>>>xp 2800 which runs at 2167; perhaps marginally better because of the extra
>>>cache!)
>>>
>>>amd 2375 does not officially exist
>>
>>You're forgetting about the 2.25GHz 166/333fsb Athlon XP, which is the
>>thoroughbred core. For reference, my XP @ 2.5GHz gets a little over 1400kn/s in
>>the benchmark. For $37 you can pick up a Tbred-B Athlon XP 1700+ that can run
>>2.4-2.6GHz, so the P4 is hardly worth the money.
>>
>>
>>>Athlon XP____+ /2.375GHz   1338 kn/s  = 122% (Q.: J. Hartmann)
>>>
>>>PIV-3.06, 64MB-Hash        1309 kN/s  = 119%
>>>
>>>Athlon XP2800+ /2.167GHz   1230 kn/s  = 112%
>>>
>>>Athlon XP2600+ /2.083GHz   1160 kn/s  = 105%
>>>
>>>Athlon XP2400+ /2.00GHz    1098 kn/s  = 100%
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>



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