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Subject: Re: Stunning but Simple Fritz 8 Winning R+Pawns endgame move

Author: John Merlino

Date: 22:19:20 05/31/03

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On May 31, 2003 at 14:16:29, Brian Katz wrote:

>You may appreciate this next position. It is Black to move. White's last move
>was Ke4... ??
>[D]8/6k1/2p2p2/p1p5/P1PpKPPp/1P5P/8/8 b

Chessmaster 9000 has no problem finding f5+ in this position:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	4/8	-1.30	7076		1...f5+ 2.gxf5 Kf6 3.b4 cxb4 4.Kxd4
					Kxf5 5.Ke3 b3
0:00	5/9	-2.59	16073		1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 Kf6
					4.f5 Ke5 5.f6 Kxf6 6.Kf4 d3 7.Ke3
0:00	6/10	-2.59	29228		1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 Kf6
					4.f5 Ke5 5.f6 Kxf6 6.Kf4 d3 7.Ke3
0:00	7/11	-2.40	55055		1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 Kf6
					4.f5 Ke5 5.f6 Kxf6 6.Kf4 Ke7 7.Ke4
					Kd6 8.Kd3
0:00	8/12	-2.54	94589		1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 Kf6
					4.f5 Ke5 5.f6 Kxf6 6.Kf4 Ke7 7.Ke4
					Kd6 8.Kd3 Ke5
0:00	9/13	-2.54	166539		1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 Kf6
					4.f5 Ke5 5.f6 Kxf6 6.Kf4 Ke7 7.Ke4
					Kd6 8.Kd3 Ke5
0:01	10/14	-2.60	309521		1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 Kf6
					4.f5 Ke5 5.f6 Kxf6 6.Kf4 Ke7 7.Kf3
					Ke6 8.Ke2 Ke5 9.Kd3
0:02	11/15	-2.42	668718		1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 Kf6
					4.f5 d3 5.Kf3 Kxf5 6.Ke3 d2 7.Kxd2
					Kf4 8.Ke2 Kg3 9.Kf1 Kxh3 10.Kg1 Kg3
0:04	12/16	-2.81	1271704		1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 d3 4.Kf3
					Kg6 5.Ke3 Kf5 6.Kxd3 Kxf4 7.Ke2
					Kg3 8.Kf1 Kxh3 9.Kg1 Kg3 10.Kh1 h3
0:09	13/17	-2.71	2421542		1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 d3 4.Kf3
					Kg6 5.Ke3 Kf5 6.Kxd3 Kxf4 7.Ke2
					Kg3 8.Kf1 Kxh3 9.Kg1 Kg3 10.Kh1
					h3 11.Kg1
0:21	14/18	-2.81	5047882		1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 d3 4.Kf3
					Kg6 5.Ke3 Kf5 6.Kxd3 Kxf4 7.Ke2
					Kg3 8.Kf1 Kh2 9.Kf2 Kxh3 10.Kg1
					Kg3 11.Kh1 h3
0:51	15/19	-3.26	11964799	1...f5+ 2.Kf3 fxg4+ 3.Kxg4 d3 4.Kf3
					Kg6 5.Ke3 Kf5 6.Kxd3 Kxf4 7.Ke2
					Ke4 8.Kf1 Kd3 9.Kf2 Kc2 10.Ke3
					Kxb3 11.Kd3 Kxa4 12.Ke4


>[D]8/5p2/1kp5/p1p5/P1PpKPPp/1P5P/8/8 b
>Many masters do not realize at first that Black can win with ...f5 in this
>position.
>
>See how long CM 9000 takes to find this move, and realize that it is winning
>very big. Fritz finds it right away, but it takes a good few minutes before it
>knows it is winning very big.

This one definitely takes a long time, even on my P4-2.4. At depth 19, there is
a monster fail-low that takes over ten minutes to resolve. Finally, after a
little less than eleven minutes, The King chooses f5+....

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	7/11	0.43	33352		1...Kc7 2.g5 Kd7 3.f5 Ke7 4.Kd3
					Kf8 5.f6 Kg8 6.Ke4 Kf8
0:00	7/11	0.31	38839		1...Kb7 2.g5 Kc7 3.f5 Kd6 4.Kf4
					Ke7 5.Kf3 Kf8 6.Ke4 Ke7 7.Kd3
0:00	8/12	0.19	48385		1...Kb7 2.g5 Kc7 3.f5 Kd6 4.Kf4
					Ke7 5.Kf3 Kf8 6.Ke4 Ke7 7.Kd3 Kd6
0:00	9/13	0.29	79973		1...Kb7 2.g5 Kc7 3.f5 Kd6 4.Kf4
					Ke7 5.Kf3 Kf8 6.f6 Ke8 7.Ke2 Kd7
					8.Kd3
0:00	10/14	0.00	127554		1...Kb7 2.g5 Kc7 3.f5 Kd6 4.Kf4
					Ke7 5.Kf3 Kd6 6.Kf4
0:00	11/15	0.00	199639		1...Kb7 2.g5 Kc7 3.f5 Kd6 4.Kf4
					Ke7 5.Kf3 Kd6 6.Kf4
0:01	12/16	0.00	347590		1...Kb7 2.g5 Kc7 3.f5 Kd6 4.Kf4
					Ke7 5.Kf3 Kd6 6.Kf4
0:02	13/17	0.00	675223		1...Kb7 2.g5 Kc7 3.f5 Kd6 4.Kf4
					Ke7 5.Kf3 Kd7 6.Kf4 Kd6 7.Ke4 Ke7
					8.Kf3
0:08	14/18	0.00	2077528		1...Kb7 2.g5 Kc7 3.f5 Kd6 4.Kf4
					Ke7 5.Kf3 Kf8 6.Ke2 Ke7 7.Kd3 Kd6
					8.Ke4 Ke7 9.Kf3
0:26	15/19	0.00	6116564		1...Kb7 2.g5 Kc7 3.f5 Kd6 4.Kf4
					Ke7 5.Kf3 Kf8 6.Ke2 Ke7 7.Kd3 Kd6
					8.Ke4 Ke7 9.Kf3
10:56	15/19	-1.79	137485954	1...f5+ 2.gxf5 Kc7 3.f6 Kd7 4.f5
					Ke8 5.f7+ Kxf7 6.Kf3 Kf6 7.Kf4
					d3 8.Ke3 Kxf5 9.Kxd3 Kf4 10.Ke2
					Kg3 11.Ke3 Kxh3 12.Ke4
18:33	16/20	-1.51	233733116	1...f5+ 2.gxf5 Kc7 3.f6 Kd7 4.f5
					Ke8 5.f7+ Kxf7 6.Kd3 Kf6 7.Ke4
					Kg5 8.Ke5 d3 9.f6 d2 10.f7 d1=Q
					11.f8=Q Qd4+ 12.Ke6 Qe3+ 13.Kd6
					Qxh3 14.Qg7+ Kh5 15.Qe5+ Kg6 16.Qe4+
					Kg5

jm



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