Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 22:32:49 06/01/03
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On May 31, 2003 at 12:08:10, Alex wrote: >On May 31, 2003 at 10:47:45, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On May 31, 2003 at 10:31:21, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On May 31, 2003 at 10:16:21, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On May 31, 2003 at 04:13:54, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>> >>>>>I am glad that SSDF decited to test Shredder 7.04 under UCI gui. >>>>> >>>>>The reason is that this program may be the first one to cross the 1800 Elo >>>>>barrier on the SSDF list. >>>>> >>>>>Some time ago I stated that 7.04 was about 20 points stronger that 7.0, but this >>>>>was based looking some game of a previous version. In reality, and testing made >>>>>by many chess funs, gives a little more: >>>>>betwen 22 to 30 points. >>>>> >>>>>So, considering that the UCI gui with tournament book selection should give at >>>>>least 15 points more, it possible to get a rating on a K7 1200 of 2805 to 2810 >>>>>Elo points. >>>>> >>>>>We'll see if these considerations will be confirmed. >>>>> >>>>>About the SSDF not willing to test CM9000 I think people that do not know SSDF >>>>>long enough like me, are saing unfair things on them. >>>>> >>>>>First of all they do this as a hobby and because they love computer chess. To >>>>>claim that their are sponsored by ChessBase is so “non sense” and does not need I CANNOT AGREE >>>>>any reply. >>>>> >>>>>What a programmer should do to have its program tested is to send them 3 copies >>>>>of the program with clear instructions for settings and how to run it. >>>>>Also that program MUST include the autoplayer as it would take TOO MANY human >>>>>resources to test it in the normal way, like when the autoplayer was not >>>>>available. >>>>> >>>>>The point is that if they have TO USE ALL THEIR TESTERS to test a program in >>>>>the “old” way, this would probably not be acceptable to them as other >>>>>programmers would complain. >>>>> >>>>>I do not know how many testers they have now because the latest contacts I had >>>>>with them were about 10 year ago. >>>>> >>>>>I personally DO NOT and WILL NOT BUY or run ANY CHESS PROGRAM, even if 4000 Elo >>>>>strong if does not have the autoplayer. >>>> >>>>I agree with you, I bought all the previous version of CM from CM2100 back in >>>>1989 to CM 8000. But since they never heard our request to add an autoplayer I >>>>decided to not buy any more CM programs. >>>>> >>>>>I also believe that using a different book for running a program is no sense as >>>>>the opening book is part of the program. >>>>> >>>>>It is like to drive a Ferrari with another engine. It is not the same and to me >>>>>means nothing. >>>> >>>>I have to congratulate you for making such an excellent Opening book which of >>>>course is part of the program. Just to give you an idea of how much your Opening >>>>book constribute to the high SSDF Elo of Shredder being on first place, I >>>>decided to test Shredder 7 vs Friz 8.008 both without opening Books and Fritz >>>>after 12 games at G/60 is leading by two points so far W6 D2 L4. >>>> >>>>Jorge >>> >>>I do not care about shredder7 because 7.04 is the best version and a result of >>>7-5 in 12 games are too small to get conclusions. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Somebody else can test Shredder 7.04 under UCI against fritz 8.008 without >>Books, but i will continue my own test up to 50 games. I also noticed a little >>improvement with Movei after I started using the Frenzee Opening Book, but there >>are better opening books available. >> >>Jorge Hi, > WHy not CHESS BASE test CM 9000 under UCI?? Is it THAT tuff? It appears >SUSPICIOUS......... SSDF is willing to test programs that the programmer and/or the seller want them to be tested. So, if they do want this program to be tested they only have to send 3 copies of the program with instructions to them. SUCH PROGRAM MUST INCLUDE AUTOPLAYER. If the programmer or the seller do not want that program to be tested why shall SSDF test it? What is suspicious? Sandro
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