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Subject: Re: Is Fritz5 still the strongest chess program?

Author: Mark Young

Date: 13:45:15 10/19/98

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On October 19, 1998 at 16:00:42, James Robertson wrote:

>On October 18, 1998 at 18:24:18, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On October 18, 1998 at 18:11:58, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On October 18, 1998 at 18:01:21, Eran wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 18, 1998 at 17:45:46, blass uri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On October 18, 1998 at 16:55:39, Eran wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 18, 1998 at 13:13:26, Steven Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just received from Thorsten...
>>>>>>>Regards, Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>in the moment eugen fights vs. comet.
>>>>>>>The position looks drawish for many moves. this game can take ages...
>>>>>>>75 moves have happened so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. CHESSMASTER 5000,        (7) - (5)  JUNIOR5 BETA JUN.CTG,
>>>>>>> 2. CHESS TIGER 11.5,       (12) - (2)  HIARCS6,
>>>>>>> 3. CSTAL WIN95,             (6) - (23) ZARKOV 4.2C,
>>>>>>> 4. NIMZO98 PADERBORN,      (14) - (22) CRAFTY 15.18,            1:0
>>>>>>> 5. WCHESS 1.04,            (18) - (13) CHESS TIGER 11.2,
>>>>>>> 6. GENIUS5,                 (8) - (4)  FRITZ 5.16 POWER.CTG,    0:1
>>>>>>> 7. EUGEN 7.5,              (15) - (21) COMET A95,
>>>>>>> 8. VIRTUAL2,                (9) - (11) PHALANX,                 ½:½
>>>>>>> 9. DIAMOND 2,              (16) - (10) DIEP 1.58.13,            0:1
>>>>>>>10. SOCRATES X,             (24) - (1)  MCHESS 7.1,              ½:½
>>>>>>>11. CHESSMASTER 5555,       (17) - (19) DIOGENES 4.72,           1:0
>>>>>>>12. REBEL 9,                 (3) - (20) CAISSA98 5.15,           1:0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1-2   JUNIOR5 BETA JUN.CTG, (5)      7.5(1)    55   68   6
>>>>>>>       NIMZO98 PADERBORN, (14)        7.5       55   68   5
>>>>>>> 3-4   HIARCS6, (2)                   7.0(1)    55½  68   4
>>>>>>>       CSTAL WIN95, (6)               7.0(1)    54½  66½  5
>>>>>>> 5-11  CHESS TIGER 11.5, (12)         6.0(1)    57   69   5
>>>>>>>       CHESS TIGER 11.2, (13)         6.0(1)    56½  69   4
>>>>>>>       CRAFTY 15.18, (22)             6.0       56½  65½  4
>>>>>>>       CHESSMASTER 5000, (7)          6.0(1)    53½  65   4
>>>>>>>       ZARKOV 4.2C, (23)              6.0(1)    49½  59½  6
>>>>>>>       REBEL 9, (3)                   6.0       48½  56   4
>>>>>>>       FRITZ 5.16 POWER.CTG, (4)      6.0       43   50½  4
>>>>>>>12-17  GENIUS5, (8)                   5.5       53½  62½  3
>>>>>>>       MCHESS 7.1, (1)                5.5       52½  63   3
>>>>>>>       COMET A95, (21)                5.5(1)    49½  57   5
>>>>>>>       CHESSMASTER 5555, (17)         5.5       45½  53   3
>>>>>>>       DIEP 1.58.13, (10)             5.5       42½  50   5
>>>>>>>       PHALANX, (11)                  5.5       42½  49½  4
>>>>>>>18-19  WCHESS 1.04, (18)              5.0(1)    49½  59½  4
>>>>>>>       VIRTUAL2, (9)                  5.0       43½  49½  4
>>>>>>>   20  EUGEN 7.5, (15)                4.5(1)    41½  48½  4
>>>>>>>   21  DIAMOND 2, (16)                4.0       41½  47½  3
>>>>>>>   22  SOCRATES X, (24)               3.0       43½  49½  2
>>>>>>>   23  DIOGENES 4.72, (19)            1.5       44½  50½  1
>>>>>>>   24  CAISSA98 5.15, (20)            0.0       44½  52   0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1.MCHESS 7.1,            2519    2442  5.5/11  6.71   -12.1  2442
>>>>>>> 2.HIARCS6,               2539    2416  7.0/10  6.70     3.0  2565
>>>>>>> 3.REBEL 9,               2522    2410  6.0/11  7.15   -11.5  2446
>>>>>>> 4.FRITZ 5.16 POWER.CTG,  2574    2376  6.0/11  8.36   -23.6  2412
>>>>>>> 5.JUNIOR5 BETA JUN.CTG,  2480    2455  7.5/10  5.30    22.0  2648
>>>>>>> 6.CSTAL WIN95,           2300    2455  7.0/10  2.90    41.0  2604
>>>>>>> 7.CHESSMASTER 5000,      2400    2427  6.0/10  4.60    14.0  2499
>>>>>>> 8.GENIUS5,               2496    2426  5.5/11  6.60   -11.0  2426
>>>>>>> 9.VIRTUAL2,              2450    2314  5.0/11  7.48   -24.8  2278
>>>>>>>10.DIEP 1.58.13,          2400    2353  5.5/11  6.27    -7.7  2353
>>>>>>>11.PHALANX,               2300    2367  5.5/11  4.51     9.9  2367
>>>>>>>12.CHESS TIGER 11.5,      2480    2431  6.0/10  5.70     3.0  2503
>>>>>>>13.CHESS TIGER 11.2,      2450    2468  6.0/10  4.70    13.0  2540
>>>>>>>14.NIMZO98 PADERBORN,     2534    2449  7.5/11  6.82     6.8  2582
>>>>>>>15.EUGEN 7.5,             2300    2333  4.5/10  4.50     0.0  2297
>>>>>>>16.DIAMOND 2,             2125    2338  4.0/11  2.53    14.7  2236
>>>>>>>17.CHESSMASTER 5555,      2470    2339  5.5/11  7.48   -19.8  2339
>>>>>>>18.WCHESS 1.04,           2400    2383  5.0/10  5.20    -2.0  2383
>>>>>>>19.DIOGENES 4.72,         2150    2360  1.5/11  2.53   -10.3  2051
>>>>>>>20.CAISSA98 5.15,         2100    2363  0.0/11  1.98   -19.8  1364
>>>>>>>21.COMET A95,             2355    2419  5.5/10  4.10    14.0  2455
>>>>>>>22.CRAFTY 15.18,          2400    2419  6.0/11  5.17     8.3  2455
>>>>>>>23.ZARKOV 4.2C,           2400    2416  6.0/10  4.80    12.0  2488
>>>>>>>24.SOCRATES X,            2350    2345  3.0/11  5.61   -26.1  2170
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>best wishes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mclane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do not understand entirely the information above, but I am interested to know
>>>>>>which chess program is strongest. Is Fritz5 still the strongest one?  What about
>>>>>>Junior5?
>>>>>
>>>>>1)I think that Junior5 is slightly better than fritz5.
>>>>>
>>>>>2)There are also other good programs that are not in the ssdf list for example
>>>>>Rebel10, Chesstiger11.5(leading Shep's tournament) and chessmaster6000
>>>>>We have not enough information to decide which program is number 1
>>>>>
>>>>>3)I am not sure if Fritz5 was the strongest program(It was and is one of the
>>>>>best programs)
>>>>>Hiarcs and Nimzo98 are also strong and I am not sure if the first place of
>>>>>fritz5
>>>>>in the ssdf list is  justified.
>>>>>2 reasons:
>>>>>a)This list is based on long matches between programs and if the order of the
>>>>>games was different maybe the results were different because fritz5 is good at
>>>>>learning a specific opponent.
>>>>>
>>>>>b)Fritz5 is optimized for the pentium200MMX that was used in the ssdf games so
>>>>>if you have another machine then your results may be slightly different.
>>>>>
>>>>>4)There is not a definite answer because the best program against program may be
>>>>>different from the best program against humans and the best program for matches
>>>>>may be different from the best program for tournaments.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eran
>>>>
>>>>What is the best chess program against human?
>>>>
>>>>Eran
>>>I think that Rebel10
>>>Rebel had always good results against humans
>>>
>>I agree. Rebel 10 has to be the clear favorite here. Any program that can go >toe
>>to toe with GM Anand at all time controls has my vote :)
>
>1.5 - 0.5 (the longest time control in the match) is not quite toe to toe :)
>
I think just about any player in the world besides Kasparov and a very few
others would be happy going 1 draw 1 loss Vs Super GM Anand. Let alone a
microcomputer chess program playing at 40/2hr. If you look at the games there is
no question that Rebel 10 whent toe to toe playing GM Anand at 40/2hr.

>James
>
>>
>>>Uri



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