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Subject: Re: Great idea!

Author: margolies,marc

Date: 18:00:23 06/05/03

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Me thinks these hi tech rascals will just connect their MP comps to a dedicated
'slow machine' with some sort of gerry-rigged interface. You can't expect
cheaters to play by your rules especially when you give them another 'cheat' to
cream about.



n June 05, 2003 at 09:28:10, Jonas Bylund wrote:

>On June 05, 2003 at 01:31:01, Jim Bodkins wrote:
>
>>On June 05, 2003 at 01:02:23, Jim Bodkins wrote:
>>
>>>I have noticed a group of people that seems to vicariously play through their
>>>engines. I have actually had people say to me that the speed of the system was
>>>irrelevant. (And that if I had been around long enough I would have known that.
>>>SaltyBalls - who not surprisingly has one of the faster systems).
>>>
>>>My intent at playchess is to "tweak" a personality of theking. (At least I would
>>>like to finish that). Playing such a random collection of systems - many of
>>>which are not identified in terms of hardware - makes that difficult.
>>>
>>>It occured to me that it should be possible to define competition categories
>>>based upon hardware performance. (Or allow formulas based upon hardware
>>>performance). If the engines had a standard set of quick tests that did a
>>>thumbnail of that systems performance and sent that to the other engine
>>>(exchange) in order to qualify the game, it would help provide meaningfull
>>>engine match results. (Rather than what happens now. The same old engine but
>>>runnng on a dual 3gig xeon playing a P4 1.4 gig. Meaningless).
>>>
>>>Any thoughts from the engine programmers? Call it a performance Gnomon. It could
>>>be a polynomial/vector of sorts with the coefficients being values for standard
>>>tests.
>>>
>>>I just love it when I see 1200 kN/s on a system that is identified as a Pentium
>>>300 laptop. :)
>>
>>The performance gnomon could be something like crafty's bench() function for
>>example.
>
>This is a great idea! i stopped having my computer play at playchess because the
>top 20-30 was the same 3 engines (no names :)) and because people vicariously,
>as you put it, used whatever they could to win rating!!??
>
>Example: some guy tried to convince me that the program he used to beat my Deep
>Fritz 7 account running on a dual amd 1600+ 6 times in a row, was Zchess
>2.something (i think) on a 500 Mhz Celeron and that the reason his account won
>so much was a secret opening book :)
>Now i don't mind my account losing, but i don't like that
>"anything-goes-in-the-quest-of-boosting-your-rating" mentality.
>
>Also the top accounts (besides from being the same engines) almost never have
>any info on who is running the account, what hardware etc. And if they do, they
>seem to be less than truthful about it.
>
>In conclusion i really like the idea that you could KNOW if the opposing account
>is fairly matched within an acceptable margain say +/- 200 Mhz, or whatever you
>alternatively put in your formula.
>
>Regards
>Jonas



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