Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 05:58:17 06/06/03
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On June 06, 2003 at 07:54:07, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 06, 2003 at 07:06:41, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On June 06, 2003 at 06:15:36, Ryan B. wrote: >> >>>Making a strong opening book may not be so high on his to-do list at this time. >>>I don?t see how where he is from has anything to do with his opening book. The >>>best of the free programs not named rebel 12 I have seen just generate an >>>opening book from pgn files such as gm2600.pgn This way of making an opening >>>book requires no actual chess skill and defiantly in no way discriminates based >>>on ones home land. >> >>And such books are definitely weak. The Ruffian book is relatively weak for >>example. > >Ruffian book seems to be very good based on Ruffian results in Leo tournament. > >Ruffian got 79% against programs that include 2 proffesional programs(Gandalf >and Nimzo) > >Ruffian scored 3.5-.5 against Gandalf in that tournament. > >It may be interesting if some program can take the first place from Ruffian. > >I am sure that Deep sjeng is going to try but I even doubt if it can get 79% >against weaker programs in the 1st division. > >It has now 19.5/24 that is more than 79% but it still did not play against the >best programs of the first division(Aristarch and delfi). > >If you claim that Ruffian's book is bad for Ruffian then you need to prove that >Ruffian can get better results when it plays in conditions that are similiar to >the nunn match against opponents. I found enough proves for it when I saw the games played by SSDF. I will give you some examples from the Ruffian-Fritz 8 match. You can be sure, I could find many more examples. I just dont have the time to search for them. > >I did not see a proof for it. >I even saw claims that Ruffian scores only 35% against the top programs >in conditions that are similiar to the nunn match. > >Note that I do not know a proof that these claims are correct when Ruffian plays >under winboard and I suspect that it is possible that Ruffian is simply >handicapped by using another gui. > >Uri [D] r1b2rk1/ppq1ppb1/2n2npp/2p3B1/2B1P3/2P2N2/PP1NQPPP/R4RK1 w - - 0 11 11.Bxf6 has a bad reputation. [D] r3qrk1/p2bp1bp/2ppnnp1/5p2/1PP5/P1NQ1NP1/1B2PPBP/1R3RK1 b - - 0 14 Ruffian was out of book here and quickly lost the bad position after 14...a5 without a fight. [D] r2qkb1r/1ppb1ppp/p1n1pn2/8/2pP4/4PNP1/PP3PBP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - 0 8 Ruffian out of book played the very bad move 8.Ne5 [D] r1bq1rk1/p2n1ppp/1pp1pb2/8/2BPN3/5N2/PPPQ1PPP/2KR3R w - - 0 11 This opening variation is too passive for a program. [D] rn1qkb1r/pb3p2/2p1pn1p/1p4p1/2pPP2P/2N2NB1/PP2BPP1/R2QK2R b KQkq h3 0 10 Ruffian out of book at move 10. In such a sharp line! This is suicide for a program. Ruffian 1.0.1 A1200 (2671) - Fritz 8 A1200 [A48] SSDF Tony Hedlund (2), 01.05.2003 1.d4 book 0s 1...Nf6 0s 2.Nf3 book 0s 2...g6 0s 3.Bg5 book 0s 3...Bg7 0s 4.Nbd2 book 0s 4...0-0 0s 5.c3 book 0s 5...d6 0s 6.e4 book 0s 6...c5 0s 7.dxc5 book 0s 7...dxc5 0s 8.Bc4 book 0s 8...Nc6 0s 9.Qe2 +0.26/12 2:48m 9...Qc7 4:47m (Na5) 10.0-0 +0.15/12 2:22m 10...h6 0s (Na5) 11.Bxf6 +0.14/13 3:29m 11...exf6 39s 12.Rad1 +0.11/13 1:54m 12...Bg4 12:16m (Bd7) 13.h3 +0.05/13 2:11m 13...Bd7 8:00m 14.Nb3 +0.04/14 19s 14...b6 3:54m 15.Bd5 +0.01/13 8s 15...Rab8 6:36m (Rad8) 16.Qc4 +0.06/12 2:15m 16...Ne7 5:06m (Rbe8) 17.Rfe1 +0.02/13 2:49m 17...Rbd8 3:07m 18.Nbd4 -0.05/12 1:09m 18...a6 11:45m 19.Ne2 -0.22/14 24s 19...b5 5:41m 20.Qb3 -0.25/15 0s 20...f5 3:29m 21.Qa3 -0.33/13 7:12m 21...Bc8 3:26m 22.Rd2 -0.46/13 5:19m 22...Rfe8 4:44m (Rd6) 23.Red1 -0.55/15 21:00m 23...fxe4 3:52m (h5) 24.Bxe4 -0.48/16 15:58m 24...Rxd2 0s 25.Nxd2 -0.48/15 2:01m 25...Rd8 2:21m 26.Qb3 -0.46/14 1:56m 26...Be6 4:33m 27.Qc2 -0.46/13 1:51m 27...Nd5 1:21m 28.Bf3 -0.44/12 23s 28...Nb6 3:08m (Be5) 29.Nb3 -0.48/13 10:38m 29...Rxd1+ 3:35m 30.Qxd1 -0.56/16 0s 30...Nc4 5:00m 31.Qc1 -0.52/16 0s 31...Be5 4:22m (Qd6) 32.Be4 -0.67/14 8:05m 32...Qd6 0s 33.Kh1 -0.67/12 31s 33...a5 3:58m 34.f4 -0.94/13 1:00m 34...Bg7 2:28m (Bf6) 35.Qc2 -1.45/15 5:46m 35...b4 0s 36.Bf3 -1.40/12 26s 36...Bf5 2:10m (a4) 37.Be4 -1.81/16 4:17m 37...a4 2:20m (Bxe4) 38.Nbc1 -1.52/16 3:15m 38...b3 0s 39.axb3 -1.74/14 24s 39...axb3 2:23m 40.Qd3 -1.72/14 11s 40...Bxe4 4:19m 41.Qxe4 -1.98/18 0s 41...Nxb2 4:53m 42.Qa8+ -2.04/17 0s 42...Kh7 2:48m 43.Qa3 -2.13/17 0s 43...Qd2 4:04m 44.Qxb3 -2.23/18 1:47m 44...c4 24s 45.Qb6 -2.80/18 4:19m 45...Nd3 1:25m 46.Qg1 -3.33/18 1:07m 46...Nxc1 54s 47.Nxc1 -3.79/18 1:35m 47...Bxc3 13s 48.f5 -4.49/17 4:07m 48...gxf5 0s (Bf6) 49.Qf1 -5.38/19 13:37m 49...Kg7 0s 50.Ne2 -5.38/15 3:25m 50...Bf6 0s 51.Qf3 -5.30/15 1:32m 51...c3 3:31m (Qe1+) 52.Qg3+ -5.28/17 9:09m 52...Kh8 1:53m 53.Qb8+ -5.90/17 1:53m 53...Kh7 1:06m 54.Qc7 -5.90/16 0s 54...Qxe2 59s 55.Qxf7+ -11.37/17 1:45m 55...Bg7 41s 56.Qxf5+ -11.37/15 19s 56...Kg8 1:35m 0-1 Fritz 8 A1200 - Ruffian 1.0.1 A1200 (2671) [A87] SSDF Tony Hedlund (3), 01.05.2003 1.d4 0s 1...f5 book 0s 2.g3 0s 2...Nf6 book 0s 3.Bg2 0s 3...d6 book 0s 4.Nf3 0s 4...g6 book 0s 5.c4 0s 5...Bg7 book 0s 6.0-0 0s 6...0-0 book 0s 7.Nc3 0s 7...Qe8 book 0s 8.d5 0s 8...Na6 book 0s 9.Rb1 0s 9...Bd7 book 0s 10.b4 0s 10...c5 book 0s 11.dxc6 0s 11...bxc6 book 0s 12.a3 0s 12...Nc7 book 0s 13.Bb2 0s 13...Ne6 book 0s 14.Qd3 0s 14...a5 +0.03/12 2:59m 15.e4 4:55m (e3) 15...axb4 +0.18/13 3:11m 16.axb4 3:08m 16...Ng4 -0.01/13 4:20m 17.exf5 5:05m 17...Rxf5 -0.08/13 0s 18.h3 5:43m (Ne4) 18...Ne5 -0.14/13 4:58m 19.Nxe5 3:59m 19...Bxe5 -0.22/13 1:31m 20.f4 4:37m (b5) 20...Bd4+ -0.01/11 2:55m 21.Kh2 1:39m (Kh1) 21...Bh8 -0.13/11 4:47m 22.b5 13:13m 22...Nc5 -0.46/14 7:11m 23.Qe3 6:47m 23...Rf7 -0.52/13 5:29m 24.Ne2 0s (f5) 24...Bxb2 -0.22/13 3:18m 25.Rxb2 0s 25...Rc8 -0.41/12 2:41m 26.Nc3 7:56m (b6) 26...cxb5 -0.30/13 3:03m 27.cxb5 5:38m 27...Qf8 -0.40/13 0s 28.b6 4:40m 28...Bf5 -0.60/13 2:51m 29.Ra1 3:49m 29...Rb8 -0.80/13 0s 30.Na4 12:05m 30...Qg7 -1.01/15 0s 31.Rba2 4:53m 31...Na6 -1.10/13 1:11m 32.g4 10:08m 32...Bd7 -1.88/15 6:31m 33.b7 4:27m 33...Nb4 -1.86/16 9:02m 34.Nb6 0s 34...Nxa2 -1.79/14 1:06m 35.Rxa2 7s 35...e6 -3.33/17 12:32m 36.Ra8 0s 36...Rff8 -3.33/16 1:36m 37.Qa3 21s 37...Bc6 -3.38/15 30s 38.Rxb8 1:00m 38...Rxb8 -3.71/16 31s 39.Bxc6 36s 39...Qd4 -3.48/15 53s 40.Nd7 4:58m 40...d5 -3.62/14 1:28m 41.Qc1 29s (Kg3) 41...Qf2+ -3.52/17 22:51m 42.Kh1 0s 42...Qf3+ -3.64/16 6:28m 43.Kg1 0s 43...Qg3+ -3.64/16 2:37m 44.Kf1 43s 44...Rd8 -3.47/13 1:19m 45.Ke2 39s (b8Q) 45...Qxh3 -3.86/14 14:51m 46.Kf2 0s (Qe3) 46...Qh2+ -3.72/14 11:17m 47.Ke3 0s 47...Qg2 -3.84/13 1:25m 48.b8R 1:10m (Kd4) 48...Rxb8 -4.48/17 8:14m 49.Nxb8 0s 49...Qxg4 -4.48/14 38s 50.Nd7 2:50m 50...Qf5 -4.63/15 0s 51.Bb5 4:03m (Kd4) 51...Qe4+ -5.05/15 6:06m 52.Kf2 7:25m 52...Qb4 -5.10/15 0s 53.Ne5 4:42m (Qe3) 53...Qe7 -5.33/15 4:38m 54.Qc8+ 6:01m (Nf3) 54...Kg7 -5.46/15 3:31m 55.Kf3 3:26m (Nf3) 55...Qa3+ -5.47/14 2:40m 56.Kg2 1:00m (Bd3) 56...Qa2+ -6.11/13 2:02m 57.Kg3 2:25m 57...Qa7 -6.48/14 0s 58.Nf3 3:03m 58...Qe7 -6.62/15 0s 59.Bd7 2:43m 59...e5 -7.07/14 0s 60.fxe5 1:02m 60...d4 -8.65/16 18s 61.Qc7 1:37m (Qe8) 61...d3 -11.13/17 15:52m 62.Qd6 0s 1-0 Ruffian 1.0.1 A1200 (2671) - Fritz 8 A1200 [E04] SSDF Tony Hedlund (4), 02.05.2003 1.d4 book 0s 1...Nf6 0s 2.c4 book 0s 2...e6 0s 3.Nf3 book 0s 3...d5 0s 4.g3 book 0s 4...dxc4 0s 5.Bg2 book 0s 5...Nc6 0s 6.0-0 book 0s 6...a6 0s 7.e3 book 0s 7...Bd7 0s 8.Ne5 -0.03/14 4:32m 8...Nxe5 2:39m 9.dxe5 -0.10/14 1:58m 9...Nd5 1:49m 10.Qc2 -0.15/13 1:03m 10...Nb4 5:54m (b5) 11.Qe2 -0.15/15 4:29m 11...Bc6 1:34m (Rb8) 12.Rd1 -0.10/14 3:04m 12...Qe7 7:26m 13.Qxc4 -0.16/15 0s 13...Bxg2 8:50m 14.Kxg2 -0.18/16 0s 14...Rd8 11:05m 15.Bd2 -0.14/16 0s 15...b5 4:41m (Qd7) 16.Qe4 -0.12/14 4:11m 16...Nd3 3:15m 17.b4 -0.34/14 3:52m 17...Qd7 5:50m 18.a3 -0.71/15 0s 18...c5 5:56m (Be7) 19.bxc5 -0.81/16 23:13m 19...Nxc5 0s 20.Qf3 -0.74/15 2:56m 20...Be7 7s 21.Rf1 -0.74/14 2:31m 21...Nd3 5:27m 22.Bc3 -0.72/15 0s 22...0-0 5:31m 23.Ra2 -0.74/15 0s 23...f6 2:55m 24.exf6 -0.75/15 0s 24...Bxf6 1:25m 25.Bxf6 -0.71/14 1:18m 25...Rxf6 37s 26.Qe4 -0.67/14 1:33m 26...Nc5 4:27m 27.Qc2 -0.62/14 0s 27...Nd3 3:56m 28.f3 -0.67/13 0s 28...Qa7 5:20m (Ne5) 29.Qe2 -0.45/17 15:39m 29...Ne5 4s 30.Rc2 -0.48/13 1:09m 30...Nc4 2:59m 31.Rc3 -0.59/15 0s 31...e5 3:35m 32.a4 -0.61/13 31s 32...Rfd6 4:14m 33.Kh1 -0.70/14 1:09m 33...Qd7 3:57m 34.axb5 -0.94/15 2:45m 34...axb5 2:01m 35.e4 -0.88/14 0s 35...Qh3 4:53m (Nd2) 36.Qg2 -0.76/16 10:33m 36...Qh6 0s (Qe6) 37.Qg1 -0.67/15 8:01m 37...Rd4 2:11m (Qf6) 38.Rfc1 -0.83/15 6:05m 38...Qa6 3:56m (Qd6) 39.Qf1 -0.96/16 4:37m 39...Qa4 0s (Nb2) 40.Qe2 -0.61/15 3:31m 40...R8d7 1:31m (Rd1+) 41.R3c2 -0.58/16 17:04m 41...Qb3 0s (Qb4) 42.Rc3 -0.49/17 12:58m 42...Qb4 0s 43.Qc2 -0.50/16 1:38m 43...Qc5 5:31m 44.Qe2 -0.50/14 1:34m 44...Qa7 5:35m (Qb6) 45.Rb3 -0.51/15 9:05m 45...Qa4 0s (Qa6) 46.Qc2 -0.58/16 6:54m 46...Qa6 0s 47.Qe2 -0.58/12 26s 47...Rd8 2:30m 48.Re1 -0.58/13 46s 48...Qa4 5:04m 49.Rc3 -0.72/17 0s 49...Qb4 3:37m (Rd1) 50.Rec1 -0.61/15 4:57m 50...Qd6 3:45m 51.Re1 -0.61/14 1s 51...Qh6 5:08m (Qd7) 52.Qf1 -0.60/14 3:45m 52...Qh5 4s (Qe6) 53.Rb3 -0.52/14 2:51m 53...Rb8 3:24m (Nd6) 54.Rd1 -0.35/12 26s 54...Ra8 5:06m (Qf7) 55.Qe2 -0.24/12 20s 55...Rad8 4:05m (Ra2) 56.Rdd3 -0.39/13 38s 56...Qh6 3:59m (Qg5) 57.f4 -0.83/13 1:49m 57...Qc6 6:35m 58.Rxd4 -1.24/15 0s 58...exd4 1:32m (Rxd4) 59.Kg1 -0.81/14 1:23m 59...Ra8 3:16m (Re8) 60.Qc2 -0.62/13 1:03m 60...Ra1 1:28m 61.h4 -0.88/14 1:16m 61...h6 3:26m (Qg6) 62.e5 -2.38/16 14:53m 62...Qa8 0s 63.Qg2 -2.43/14 1:32m 63...Qa5 2:33m 64.Qc6 -2.36/13 3:00m 64...Ne3 0s 65.Qc1 -3.52/15 2:22m 65...Qa8 1:04m 66.Rb2 -5.64/16 1:12m 66...Ra2 0s 67.g4 -7.17/16 5:17m 67...Rxb2 1:21m 68.Qxb2 -7.17/14 0s 68...Qf3 1:43m 69.Qa2+ -6.77/11 1:25m 69...Kf8 0s (Kh7) 70.e6 -6.64/13 7:45m 70...Qf1+ 1:40m 71.Kh2 -6.93/14 0s 71...Qxf4+ 3:14m 72.Kg1 -7.04/14 0s 72...Qxg4+ 1:17m 73.Kh2 -7.25/14 0s 73...Qxh4+ 1:43m 74.Kg1 -7.17/14 0s 74...Qg4+ 2:17m (Qg3+) 75.Kh2 -10.16/15 5:53m 75...Ke7 1:57m 76.Kh1 -10.34/12 2:31m 76...Qh3+ 1:01m (Qf3+) 0-1 Fritz 8 A1200 - Ruffian 1.0.1 A1200 (2671) [C11] SSDF Tony Hedlund (5), 02.05.2003 1.e4 0s 1...e6 book 0s 2.d4 0s 2...d5 book 0s 3.Nc3 0s 3...Nf6 book 0s 4.Bg5 0s 4...dxe4 book 0s 5.Nxe4 0s 5...Be7 book 0s 6.Bxf6 0s 6...Bxf6 book 0s 7.Nf3 0s 7...0-0 book 0s 8.Qd2 0s 8...Nd7 book 0s 9.0-0-0 0s 9...b6 book 0s 10.Bc4 0s 10...c6 -0.13/13 4:23m 11.Qf4 9:34m (Nxf6+) 11...Be7 -0.05/14 2:44m 12.Ne5 4:48m 12...Qc7 -0.06/14 0s 13.Qg3 4:02m 13...Bd8 -0.09/13 28s 14.Kb1 9:39m (Ng5) 14...a5 -0.14/13 7:50m 15.Rhe1 3:21m 15...a4 -0.14/13 3s 16.a3 9:18m (Re3) 16...Nf6 -0.17/13 5:07m 17.Bd3 11:13m 17...Nd7 -0.25/14 0s 18.f4 4:12m 18...Ba6 -0.40/13 4:09m 19.Bxa6 6:00m (Qf3) 19...Rxa6 -0.48/16 22:50m 20.Qf3 0s (Qc3) 20...Nxe5 -0.44/15 17:21m 21.dxe5 0s 21...Be7 -0.45/14 2:11m 22.Qg4 4:00m 22...Ra5 -0.30/13 1:51m 23.h4 1:01m (c4) 23...Rd8 -0.16/13 2:02m 24.h5 2:52m 24...Rad5 0.00/14 0s 25.Nc3 5:21m (Nf6+) 25...Rd4 +0.04/13 1:07m 26.Rxd4 3:21m 26...Rxd4 -0.02/17 0s 27.h6 3:46m (Re4) 27...g6 +0.05/15 1:26m 28.Ne4 4:10m (Qf3) 28...Qd8 +0.08/14 56s 29.Qe2 6:26m 29...b5 0.00/16 0s 30.c3 3:52m 30...Rd5 0.00/16 0s 31.Rc1 3:28m (g4) 31...Kf8 +0.01/13 1:11m 32.Rf1 5:16m (g4) 32...Qd7 +0.01/13 53s 33.Ka1 1:43m (Kc1) 33...c5 +0.07/14 1:00m 34.g4 6:28m 34...c4 0.00/16 42s 35.Ka2 1:04m (g5) 35...Ke8 0.00/13 49s 36.Qg2 1:08m (Ng5) 36...Qc7 0.00/14 54s 37.Qf2 50s (Ng5) 37...Kf8 -0.04/13 49s 38.f5 1:41m 38...gxf5 -1.78/16 7:40m 39.gxf5 0s 39...Qxe5 -1.74/15 45s 40.f6 0s 40...Qxe4 -1.95/15 1:13m 41.fxe7+ 0s 41...Kxe7 -4.84/18 21:26m 42.Qxf7+ 0s 42...Kd6 -4.34/16 4:57m 43.Qb7 0s 43...Qc2 -6.28/16 6:40m 44.Qb6+ 1:00m 44...Ke7 -9.01/18 2:22m 45.Qc7+ 0s 45...Rd7 -9.01/16 2:09m 46.Qc5+ 0s 1-0 Fritz 8 A1200 - Ruffian 1.0.1 A1200 (2671) [D43] SSDF Tony Hedlund (9), 03.05.2003 1.d4 0s 1...Nf6 book 0s 2.c4 0s 2...e6 book 0s 3.Nf3 0s 3...d5 book 0s 4.Nc3 0s 4...c6 book 0s 5.Bg5 0s 5...h6 book 0s 6.Bh4 0s 6...dxc4 book 0s 7.e4 0s 7...g5 book 0s 8.Bg3 0s 8...b5 book 0s 9.Be2 0s 9...Bb7 book 0s 10.h4 0s 10...b4 +0.95/13 2:25m 11.hxg5 0s (Na4) 11...bxc3 +1.86/12 1:16m 12.bxc3 0s (Qc2) 12...Nfd7 +0.95/13 7:09m 13.Bxc4 0s 13...c5 +0.97/12 4:10m 14.g6 10:45m (d5) 14...fxg6 +0.58/12 2:31m 15.Bxe6 4:47m 15...Qb6 -0.04/13 19:48m 16.d5 4:45m 16...Bg7 -0.22/14 0s 17.Qc2 4:17m (e5) 17...Nf8 -0.16/13 3:18m 18.e5 0s 18...Ba6 -0.50/13 5:38m 19.Rb1 0s (Nh4) 19...Qa5 -2.06/15 17:41m 20.Nd2 0s 20...Qa3 -1.73/12 4:57m 21.Ne4 2:26m (d6) 21...Nbd7 -3.18/14 12:15m 22.Rb3 2:12m 22...Qa5 -3.15/13 7:06m 23.Nd6+ 0s 23...Ke7 -3.15/13 1:15m 24.Bxd7 53s 24...c4 -4.13/13 1:19m 25.Rb5 9:52m 25...Bxb5 -5.06/14 0s 26.Bxb5 1:42m 26...Rb8 -4.96/13 0s 27.Bc6 2:05m (Bxc4) 27...Rb6 -6.69/14 6:59m 28.0-0 0s (Nxc4) 28...Rxc6 -9.31/13 5:18m 29.dxc6 0s 29...Qc7 -9.31/11 34s 30.Qe4 1:56m 1-0 Michael
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