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Subject: Ok, My Personal Problems and Observations With Chessbase / Shredder 7.04

Author: David H. McClain

Date: 09:06:39 06/07/03


Since we have been on the topic of public criticism on some Chessbase programs
here is what I have undergone personally with Shredder 7.04.  My machine is a
PIII 1000mz, 512 RAM with Windows ME.  I can assure everyone that Windows ME is
not the problem.  I am simply attempting to assess whether it is just me or if
others have similar observations.

I have addressed the first problem only directly with Chessbase support and did
receive some help from Peter Schreiner to his credit and I thank him for that.

1.  Running "engine to engine" matches on the same computer would leave me with
about 40% to 50% of the games with "line" as a decision for the outcome.
Chessbase did send me a patch and reduced this to about 3 games in 20.  I did
not halt any of the games manually.

1.  Shredder's "eval" in the engine window is very optimistic but I can live
with this.  The program has lost games quickly with an evaluation as high as +
3.07 and drawn games with evaluations as high as + 5.0.  I have sent these games
to several members here that asked for them.  This was explained as the "Horizon
Effect" which I understand but no other chess playing program I have used had
this visual effect of a far off horizon.  Not a real problem but since I am not
a Grandmaster my horizon view is somewhat shorter.

3.  When I load the Shredder 7.04 engine sometimes it's listed as "Shredder
7.04" and sometimes it's listed as "Shredder 7.04 Engine 7.04" in the Main
Engine Pane window. Is there a difference?

4.  When you delete one of a multiple open window I am constantly resizing the
remaining windows.  That is if I have the engine and book window open and close
one of the you must constantly resize the remaining windows after closing one of
them.

5.  The "foot line" continually reappears in the database window where you right
click then:

List Format | Properties | Foot Line

Not a big deal but when to you click this choice off why does it constantly
reappear?

5.  The small replay window that gives the choice of how fast you would like the
replay to happen will not close unless you completely exit the program using
Ctrl/Alt/Delete to close the program properly.

6.  I normally accept all default installations of programs and did so with
initial installations of Shredder.  However after many problems I bought a
second hard drive to dedicate it strictly for playing Chessbase Shredder 7.04 /
Classic, using tablebases in an effort to completely isolate these programs from
other programs on the same hard drive.  After doing this there is constant
thrashing of the hard drive for quite some time after every game or when "New
Game" button is pressed.   And no, my swap file is not too small.  Buried in the
"help" section there is an explanation that if you install Shredder in any other
that the default directories it attempts to back up databases all the time.  Was
my prudent attempt isolate Shredder on a dedicated hard drive unreasonable?  Why
does Shredder make it so difficult to choose other than their default
installation?  Am I the only person that has attempted to dedicate Shredder
usage on a separate hard drive in other than its default installation only to
find out later the caveats of this mistake?

7.  Why is it so difficult to import games into a new opening book for Shredder?
 Shredder Classic GUI does not have this problem, you simply tell it to "import
games" and it's done and you go from there.  With the new empty book loaded the
Shredder Edit | Openings Book | Import Games | is quite clear.  After selecting
the proper .pgn to import file how can an attempt to import many games into a
new book result in the message of "0 positions added OK?"

8.  After a recent power outage while Shredder was running the program's
performance deteriorated quickly.  I understand this and completely uninstalled
the program including all registry entries and reinstalled it as if it was never
previously installed.  The program will play excellent for about three games
after doing this then it deteriorates rapidly.  This is using default engine and
book settings.  I realize the disadvantage of using weak hardware against the
big Intel P4s and AMD XP processors but I certainly would like the program to
play better than a 33% won / lost percentage.  Maybe I am expecting too much
from what I have.

8.  "Help" windows that are simply don't function:

Database | Filter games | Help button not functional

Tools | Options | GUI Version | Help button not functional

Tools | Options | GUI Version | Tournament Settings | Help button not functional

Database Window | right click | List Format | Help button not functional

I used to consult Steve Lopez of ChessbaseUSA from time to time with support
questions but he is no longer associated with them.  Too bad, he was a nice
fellow and very helpful.

Most of these bugs are tolerable and I work around them and play the program
manually at all times on two chess sites that I frequent.

I am not a professional chess program user and certainly don't know all the
tweaks of Chessbase's Shredder.  As a layman I am certainly not a novice
computer user and have obtained all the bug fixes offered on the Chessbase
server.  I understand updates will not always go without small problems but many
of these problems I have observed have carried over from Shredder 6 / 6.02.
Beginning with Shredder 6 and 6.02, which was reasonably stable, in all my years
of computer use I have never used a program that was as buggy and frustrating to
use as Chessbase's Shredder 7 / 7.04.  I also realize the Chessbase programs are
very sophisticated and very in-depth and require much attention.  The engine
itself has obviously been tested with excellent results by others but my
observations of unfixed, unnoticed or carried over problems to the next upgrade
and the neglect to small detail simply has me puzzled.

All this has seriously altered my assessment of purchasing Chessbase upgrades
and "add ons" such as Powerbook or Endgame Turbo in the future.  It has not
changed my assessment of ICD / Your Move Chess and Games.  This company has been
outstanding and a first class performer in its sales, service and courtesy.  I
would continue to purchase from them without question but probably not anymore
Chessbase material unless there is a serious attempt to improve quality control.



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