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Subject: Re: King 3.23 among the top-4 engines

Author: Mike S.

Date: 05:37:53 06/09/03

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On June 09, 2003 at 08:04:36, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On June 09, 2003 at 07:29:14, Mike S. wrote:
>
>>(...) It wouldn't make much sense IMO to display the
>>performance of an engine, that virtually nobody uses set up that way. Who in the
>>computer chess community runs King's default personality? That has Sel. 9 now
>>(CM8K was 6 only), but also 4 MB (!) hash only IIRC, for example...
>
>If it is expected of the user to browse the internet, to read rating lists of
>different settings, to ask him to trust testers on the internet rather than the
>author of the program, to basicly become an expert on CM settings before he can
>fully enjoy the program at full strength,

It may not be expected, but the King fans do this anyway, and such rating lists
are directed at computer chess fans IMO (not at average CM customers).

>then I think it isn't a very good
>product.

King at default settings is still good IMO, but several settings have proven to
be stronger in engine competition.

>(...)
>It can be done, but however it is done you shouldn't expect the user wants to be
>troubled with it.

I didn't ever see any of the CM personality designers complaining about that
they can do it :-)) actually I think the opposite: They have much fun trying to
design and test those settings (probably, because they know there are good
chances to really improve the defaults, unlike with most other engines).

But I agree of course, that the programmer should try to find the best
adjustments for every purpose, or the best compromise. I'm sure all try to do
this anyway... I believe it wouldn't have been risky to default King's
selectivity and king safety to higher values even if used on slower machines.
But larger hash can be a bigger problem in practise. For that, some automatic
adjustement would have been required if the small default size would have to be
replaced (but for the computer chess experts, it's better to be able to set the
desired hash size manually, anyway...)

Regards,
M.Scheidl



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