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Subject: Re: Even Palms are greater than famous old computers, people don't think

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:53:59 06/09/03

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On June 09, 2003 at 12:07:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On June 09, 2003 at 04:57:05, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>> People not involved in chess sometimes look upon a great Palm chess program as
>>being one of the lowliest little gadgets anyone could think of, and certainly a
>>most obvious one. But the greatest of handheld programs (soon to be Christophes
>>upcoming Palm program maximised for about 400Mhz (Arm).Is probably far far
>>greater in all its aspects than all the great famous old computers of the 1970's
>>and perhaps of some from the 1980's. More recent too, but of those, the Palm
>>would CRUSH them in every game.
>
>I doubt it.  Belle (1980) searched 200K nodes per second.  If the palm
>isn't fairly close to that, it will have a problem.  There were other fast
>programs of the 80's as well, including both Cray Blitz and HiTech from the
>high-end hardware side as well as others that were also pretty strong...

I do not know.
In 120/40 time control
200 Knodes of 20 years ago may be eqvivalent only to 2 knodes of today.

I do not claim it as a fact but only say that it is a possibility


I think that software did only in the last 5 years more than 3:1 improvement(it
means that I exppect Shredder7.04 to score more than 50% against Junior5 or
Fritz5 inspite of hardware that is 3 times slower).

Note that I suggest to use time control  of 10 minutes/40 moves for the tests so
the program of 5 years ago cannot claim that they were not prepared to the
special time control because for them the time control may be eqvivalent to the
ssdf time control(120/40 on P200MMX may be eqvivalent to 10/40 on fast hardware)

If I assume similiar improvement in software in the last 23 years then it means
that software of today is more than 100 times better than software of 1980
and if we assume that the improvement is not in searching more nodes per second
than 200 knodes of 1980 may be equivalent to 2 knodes of today.

Uri



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