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Subject: Re: Engine Match Junior 8 vs Shredder 7.04, T/C Blitz 4'+2" 100 Games

Author: Pavel Blokhine

Date: 22:03:11 06/13/03

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Yes Peter that is correct. Also I wasn't able to win a single match in the
tourney we played when i was using DJ8 Zx and the default book, but when I
switched to my own book, I thumped everyone and ended up first. The same when we
played together, I can't beat you with the default DJ8 book when you use Deep
Fritz 7 since your machine is about 20 % faster, but when I used my book again,
you were owned :)untill you switched the Hashtable to 48. I wonder if there are
any other reason why I was winning so easily against you or anybody else for
that matter though.


On June 13, 2003 at 19:37:37, Peter Stayne wrote:



>Pavel and I have played many games on Playchess against eachother (we both have
>dual xeon 3.06's) mainly using Deep Fritz 7 vs his Deep Junior 8 ZX. 2
>observations right off the bat for at least the 3+2 time controls we've been
>playing at:
>
>1. Contrary to some posts I've seen here, Deep Fritz 7 seems to do better in the
>middlegame, but DJ8 defends VERY well in the endgame. There have been MANY games
>where my DF7 would be winning by a lot going into the endgame and then DJ8 would
>either turn that score right around or be able to draw it. Pretty amazing stuff
>at some points.
>
>2. I used to lose VERY regularly to Pavel the first few weeks we both had our
>systems up and running, neither of us could figure it out. Turned out the
>solution was right under our nose: the hash size. I was using 32mb, he was using
>48. I turned it up a notch to match his and all of a sudden, we were on a level
>playing field.
>
>If the games are of interest, I'll post them.
>
>Pete
>
>On June 13, 2003 at 19:20:10, Ryan B. wrote:
>
>>I'm not surprised that Junior 8 played so well.  As you play longer games you
>>are sure to get even better results.  Junior 8 is in my opinion the most
>>underrated chess program out right now.  Junior 8 is also one of the few chess
>>programs that can lose and not look like it made a dumb error but just took a
>>chance from a human perspective.   For me Junior 8's attacking and risk taking
>>is much more entertaining than the traditional conservative piece pushing most
>>programs have done in the past even if it does take a few bad risks and lose
>>once in a while.   Hopefully Junior 8's play style is a sign of the direction of
>>computer chess in the future.
>>
>>Ryan
>>
>>On June 13, 2003 at 19:05:40, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>Crosstable
>>>
>>>Default, 4'+2" 0
>>>
>>>1 Junior 8 +66   +50/-31/=19 59.50% 59.5/100
>>>
>>>2 Shredder 7.04  +31/-50/=19 40.50% 40.5/100
>>>
>>>Both used their respective books, with ponder off, and 32MB Hash on a PIII 500
>>>with 128MB SDRAM.
>>>
>>>However, Junior 8 switch automatically to only 1MB of Hash! Maybe this is best
>>>for Blitz?
>>>
>>>Regardless, a good result for Junior 8!
>>>
>>>Terry



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