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Subject: Re: "RK 2003" Start of tournament 120'/60

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 04:51:49 06/14/03

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On June 14, 2003 at 07:35:48, Ryan B. wrote:

>On June 14, 2003 at 07:00:40, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On June 14, 2003 at 06:46:41, Tomas Casanovas Martinez wrote:
>>
>>>On June 14, 2003 at 05:37:18, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 14, 2003 at 04:59:09, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>English:
>>>>>We are going to start a long tournament at 120'/60 under the conditions
>>>>>mentioned below. As you will see, we want to merely test the strength of the
>>>>>engines. Therefore, the remis.ctg will be used instead of the own books. And
>>>>>book learning is of course deactivated. Furthermore, the programs will have no
>>>>>access to the EGTB so that we can see the proper endgame knowledge of the
>>>>>engines. Hints about the outcome of this tournament are welcome. We are
>>>>>publishing first results after 10 rounds.
>>>>>
>>>>>Deutsch:
>>>>>Wir starten ein langes Turnier mit 120'/60 und den untenerwähnten Bedingungen.
>>>>>Uns interessiert lediglich die reine Spielstärke der Programme. Deshalb wird
>>>>>generell das Buch remis.ctg verwendet. Buchlernen ist selbstverständlich
>>>>>deaktiviert. Und schliesslich haben die Programme auch keinen Zugriff auf die
>>>>>Tablebases, so dass wir das reine Endspielwissen der Engines bewundern dürfen.
>>>>>Prognosen über den Endstand dieses Turniers sind willkommen. Erste Resultate
>>>>>werden wir nach 10 Runden bekanntgeben.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Conditions / Spielbedingungen
>>>>>Tournament / Turnier RK 2003
>>>>>Time control / Spielstufe: 120'/60+60'/30+30'
>>>>>Ath 1.3/64 MB hash [CT_15=48 MB]
>>>>>ponder=off
>>>>>book=remis.ctg [no book learning / kein Buchlernen]
>>>>>EGTB=no / nein
>>>>>8 participants / Teilnehmer
>>>>>280 games / Partien
>>>>>10 games for each engine vs other opponents / 10 Partien je Engine gegen alle
>>>>>anderen
>>>>>Tester: Rolf Bühler
>>>>>Published by / Veröffentlichung via Kurt Utzinger
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Participants / Teilnehmer
>>>>>
>>>>>1) Chess Tiger 15
>>>>>2) CM9 SKR
>>>>>3) Deep Sjeng 1.5
>>>>>4) Fritz 8.0.0.8
>>>>>5) Hiarcs 8
>>>>>6) Junior 8
>>>>>7) Ruffian 1.0.1
>>>>>8) Shredder 7.04
>>>>
>>>>This is the outcome that I predict under these condictions, winner from top to
>>>>bottom.
>>>>
>>>>Fritz 8.0.0.8
>>>>Shredder 7.04
>>>>CM9 SKR
>>>>Junior8
>>>>Chess Tiger 15
>>>>Deep Sjeng 1.5
>>>>Ruffian 1.0.1
>>>>Hiarcs 8
>>>>
>>>>Pichard
>>>
>>>This tourney looks pretty interesting, Kurt. My forecast is substantially
>>>different:
>>>
>>>1.- Shredder 7.04
>>>2.- Fritz 8.0.0.8
>>>3 and 4  (about tied) Junior8 and CM9 SKR
>>>5.- Chess Tiger 15
>>>6.- Hiarcs 8
>>>7.- Ruffian 1.0.1
>>>8.- Deep Sjeng 1.5
>>>
>>>I have no seen yet one program able to beat Shredder 7.04 at the level you are
>>>setting for your tourney. On the other hand, despite the clear improvement and
>>>the good job made by Gian Carlo P., I do not expect that Deep Sjeng 1.5 can
>>>avoid the last place.
>>>
>>>I will print my forecast and compare it later with the actual results of the
>>>tourney. We will enjoy following it.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Tom Casanovas
>>>Barcelona - Spain.
>>
>>     Hi Tom
>>     I am collecting the various forecasts.
>>     Kurt
>
>May seem crazy but I forecast
>1.- Junior8
>2.- Shredder 7.04
>3.- Fritz 8.0.0.8
>4.- CM9 SKR
>5.- Deep Sjeng 1.5
>6.- Chess Tiger 15
>7.- Hiarcs 8
>8.- Ruffian 1.0.1 (could be 7 if run in WB)
>
>My tests show J8 is great in long games and DS1.5 can be surprisingly good.  I
>can't wait to see the results.
>
>Ryan

All these predictions seed Chesstiger to low !! ;)

Mine, after 10 rounds (average points/eng:35) :

1) Junior 8          42
2) Shredder 7.04     41
3) Chess Tiger 15    38
4) Fritz 8.0.0.8     36
5) CM9 SKR           35
6) Hiarcs 8          31
7) Deep Sjeng 1.5    29
8) Ruffian 1.0.1     28




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