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Subject: Re: Hmm . . . is Junior5 not good enough??

Author: Amir Ban

Date: 04:28:33 10/21/98

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On October 20, 1998 at 16:34:52, Komputer Korner wrote:

>On October 20, 1998 at 05:44:47, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On October 19, 1998 at 23:31:18, Komputer Korner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>If this is the case you would have to accept that each program's clock counts as
>>>the official time, the same as the Hergott-Hiarcs match. Does the SSDF do this?
>>>--
>>
>>Yes. The programs count time for themselves.
>>
>>During the height of the autoplayer cheating debate, when some people tried to
>>think up complicated auto232 tricks leading to marginal and obscure advantages,
>>I pointed out that the simplest way to cheat is to lie about your clock, and
>>this doesn't even involve the autoplayer.
>>
>>Amir
>
>This possible huge clock time hole for potential cheating, together with the
>draw controversy and the abrupt game terminations are the time bombs of SSDF
>integrity. These along with SSDF's refusal to disallow secret autoplayers may
>ultimately bring the SSDF down.
>--

I was aiming at an opposite conclusion. I don't think any cheating took place
this way or any other way. I was pointing out that those who said cheating took
place were thinking up scenarios that were unnecessarily complicated, when
cheating has always been possible through very elementary means.

Whether this reflects on SSDF integrity I don't know. I think they based their
reputation on their methodology, not on guarding against fraud, something which
they probably did not even think about until recently.

Remember also that the real news this year is not that programs started to cheat
(unproven and almost certainly false), but that people started saying they do.

Amir




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