Author: Albert Silver
Date: 09:16:19 06/16/03
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On June 13, 2003 at 13:27:46, margolies,marc wrote:
I was away this weekend in a tournament so couldn't reply earlier. I think you
missed the point of my post. Nowhere in my reply did I offer a defense for
immoral behavior. In fact I am at a loss as to your interpretation. My point was
simply that piracy is vastly easy whether in real life or on the Internet, and
one would really need to be a bonehead to think this forum was such a
requirement. Thus I did not interpret his post as a subtle request to "link up",
I took it at face value. All the attacks on his "guesses" seemed way off IMO
BTW, since the whole point of any kind of survey is to replace speculation with
information. Remember this is before his proposed survey, so all he would have
to go on is a guess, no?
Albert
>Albert,
>relativism is interesting. But it is not a defense for immoral behavior. I
>should mention that I care less about immoral behavior of others than I do about
>it's consequences on my own life-- as I enjoy access to very intelligent
>resourceful posters here and I could personally suffer then the usefulness of
>this board is crippled.
>With regard to selling windows on the street in brasil -- it's not high up on my
>list of concerns. But the programmers who write for us here are not Microsoft
>Billionares pricing productivity tools out of the reach of very poor people in
>the third world.
>I should also mention that I have recently been solicited twice by pirates as a
>result posting here about Junior. The pirate, I traced him to Tunisia, he was
>sloppy. He was even sloppier on the second go, because he carbon- copied his beg
>to me also to other forum members so of course I know how he got my e-mail
>address-- and an idea of what I use and own.
>Therefore I do not capricious in stating my desire to insulate myself from this
>kind of situation. Young people want the newest emerging software because its
>the best and unavailable to them. This is the stuff we discuss here. They don't
>even really use or understand the stuff. It's just a thing to do for them. So I
>do not think the Microsoft comparison is as powerful as you might think it is.
>
>cheers, marc
>
>
>On June 12, 2003 at 13:18:07, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On June 12, 2003 at 12:56:00, margolies,marc wrote:
>>
>>>Michael,
>>>Of course I respect your opinion. And in general, a laissez-faire attitude from
>>>a censor is a very good thing.
>>>This poster is searching for like minded thieves to make connections. He
>>>shouldn't do it here. And the acceptablity of his post in this case is not a
>>>function of how persons here publicly respond to him. It becomes a function of
>>>whether he can get what he wants under the table from posting here and what will
>>>certainly follow can affect the legitimite dialogs here and who might chose to
>>>post here.
>>>Won't you please reconsider this kind of censorship and take prophalaxis?
>>>-marc
>>
>>I don't know. Perhaps living in Brazil gives me a different perspective, but I
>>took his question at face value, and not necessarily as an invitation to link
>>up. The reason I say this, is because piracy is so absurdly rampant here, it
>>would no doubt shock many to the bones. Let me give you a couple of examples:
>>
>>- Most if not all of the major newspapers carry at least a weekly section on
>>computers, software, internet, etc. These sections invariably carry a number of
>>specialized classified ads. Well, just as an example, O Globo
>>(http://oglobo.glob.com) is one of the nation's largest papers, and one will
>>typically find anywhere between 50-100 ads openly advertising pirated software.
>>They'll offer package deals, etc. Ugly, very ugly.
>>
>>- Downtown, one will find TONS of street vendors with racks and racks of pirated
>>software on display, all with cheap photocopied sleeves sold for a few bucks.
>>Photoshop, 3 bucks, Microsoft Office, 3 bucks (I'm converting the currency BTW),
>>etc. And yes, there are cops everywhere who do nothing.
>>
>>So there is no need to seek out anyone. Being honest is a choice, period. In
>>fact, even on the Internet there is nothing easier than finding pirated
>>software, so why on earth would anyone need to resort to a forum such as this
>>for such subterfuge? One would really need to have holes in one's head if you
>>ask me, so I just take it as a discussion, nothing more.
>>
>> Albert
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On June 12, 2003 at 06:25:32, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 12, 2003 at 02:23:02, margolies,marc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>we should not facilitate or condone piracy here. th+row h+im back to rgcc
>>>>
>>>>looking at the original post, and taking it at face value --I felt it was ok.
>>>>The skeptic in me perceived saw the question as a "baiting" question to drum up
>>>>support for facilitating or condoning piracy. Were the thread to evolve into
>>>>that, it will be deleted without question.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is also hard to take the question seriously as posed, as the author combined
>>>>the words "research" with "guesses". It may be a paper, but I would not
>>>>categorized it as a research paper in the context of how I would view a research
>>>>paper.
>>>>
>>>>Best, Michael
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