Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:52:29 06/16/03
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On June 16, 2003 at 17:56:34, Fernando Alonso wrote: >On June 16, 2003 at 09:22:19, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On June 16, 2003 at 08:57:45, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >> >>>On June 16, 2003 at 08:08:14, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>> >>>>On June 16, 2003 at 08:04:29, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 16, 2003 at 07:21:41, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>RK 2003 tournament 120'/60 >>>>>>The games ara available for download >>>>>>under section "RK 2003" at >>>>>>Homepage "Kurt & Rolf Chess": http://www.beepworld.de/members39/utzinger >>>>>>Kurt >>>>> >>>>>Just like I always stated Shredder7 or 7.04 engine is not stronger than Fritz >>>>>8.0.0.8 or ChessMaster. If Chessmaster had a better Opening book, it would >>>>>become an unbeatable monster. >>>>> >>>>>Pichard >>>> >>>> Time will tell ... in my opinion Shredder704 is the strongest >>>> program at the moment. But there are still 66 rounds to go. >>>> Kurt >>> >>>Kurt I find it interesting that running time control in analysis fritz gives >>>best performance over all of the engines, including Shredder 7.04. To me that is >>>the qualification for the program with the best chess knowledge. Other programs >>>might be better than Fritz8 at discrete time controls but for long time thinking >>>Fritz8 has no equal. >>>Crafty is also good and once in a while suggests a better move than Fritz, but >>>when I play Crafty against Fritz in long time control where I force the move at >>>level 18-20 depending on engine output Fritz8 wins. >>> >>>Thanks >>>Wayne >> >>I think that it depends on the position. >> >>Here is an example when Fritz8 played poorly in analysis of one of my >>correspondence games. >> >>Fritz8 suggested 9...Ne4 10.d5 f5 in the pv after some hours and I decided to >>check this line. >>This line may be not the best(I do not know) but it does not change the fact >>that Fritz played weak in the game that I give(time control is practically more >>slower than 240/40 because I gave both sides the right to use more time by +200% >>so the sides had 12 hours/40 moves on A1000) >> >> >>The game is today at move 31 (I did not choose Ne4) so I am sure that the game >>that I give cannot help the opponent >> >>(234) Shredder 7 - Fritz 8 [E15] >>URI-PC, 240'/40+240'/40+240' URI-PC (1), 06.02.2003 >> >> >>W=16.0 ply; 141kN/s B=15.0 ply; 417kN/s 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Ba6 5.b3 >>Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Be7 7.Bg2 Bb7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Nc3 Ne4 10.d5 f5 Both last book move 11.Qc2 >>0.47/16 36:38 Nxd2 0.19/15 1:04:36 12.Qxd2 0.48/16 12:54 a6 (Na6) 0.00/14 17:29 >>13.Rad1 0.79/15 22:55 Qe8 (Bd6) 0.22/15 40:00 14.Ne1 (Nd4) 0.84/15 23:45 >>14...Ra7 0.34/15 1:04:25 15.Nd3 0.84/15 26:41 Qh5 (Kh8) 0.34/13 17:49 16.Rfe1 >>0.88/15 20:45 Bg5 0.44/15 48:44 17.e3 0.99/16 33:40 Qh6 0.44/14 20:14 18.c5 >>1.04/15 28:09 Be7 0.50/15 34:11 19.b4 1.14/14 13:31 Bf6 (Rc8) 0.53/14 26:56 >>20.Qc2 (Ne2) 1.20/15 24:01 20...Kh8 0.56/14 32:53 21.Na4 1.19/15 21:32 Bd8 >>0.66/15 26:42 22.c6 (Qb3) 1.21/15 18:16 22...dxc6 (Bc8) 0.69/16 25:13 23.dxc6 >>1.19/13 27 Bc8 0.62/15 13:37 24.Nab2 1.69/17 20:47 Bf6 (Be7) 0.94/16 22:17 >>25.Nc4 1.80/16 8:11 g6 (Qh5) 1.03/15 15:41 26.a4 1.89/18 43:21 Qg7 1.28/15 18:29 >>27.f4 1.89/17 45:32 g5 (a5) 1.37/15 28:54 28.a5 2.19/16 24:13 Bd8 (b5) 1.44/14 >>16:07 29.axb6 2.29/15 22:07 cxb6 1.47/15 17:41 30.Nde5 2.26/16 24:01 b5 (Qc7) >>1.41/14 13:57 31.Nd6 2.58/16 23:39 Bb6 1.53/14 11:08 32.Kh1 2.56/15 21:02 Re7 >>1.47/13 11:06 33.Qb3 2.63/15 18:32 Qf6 (Bc7) 1.47/15 52:37 34.Qc3 2.62/16 29:45 >>Kg8 1.41/14 10:39 35.e4 (Rd3) 2.57/14 23:40 35...h6 (gxf4) 1.41/13 26:33 36.Qf3 >>2.87/13 22:35 gxf4 1.56/12 9:27 37.gxf4 3.24/14 21:35 Bc7 (Kh7) adjud. 1.81/12 >>11:40 1-0 >> >>Uri >Hi, >As I have seen you play correspondence chess, you may be able to answer my >question. >I am quite a bad chess player, and I really haven´t improved for a time. I know >the way for improving is studing but most times I am too lazy. I am thinking of >trying correspondence chess in order to improve and force myself if not to >study, to play long time controls and think more what I am doing during the >game, at least more than in a 5min blitz online game. I would like to ask you or >whoever wants to post a reply if there is any free place to play correspondece >chess and being allowed to get help from a chess engine, I would like to use it >to analyse my moves. I have seen some sites but program aid was forbiden and I >wouldn´t like to cheat. >Thanks in advance, >Fernando. If the target is to improve your game then I doubt if using a computer is a good idea For a site you can see the following site: http://www.iccf.com/ I am surprised that you had problems to find a site that allow chess engines because I believe that in most of the correspondence games computers are allowed. Uri
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