Author: José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba
Date: 10:28:26 06/17/03
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On June 17, 2003 at 12:17:32, Thomas Mayer wrote:
>Hi José,
>
>>> I just had a discussion about draws in the winboard forum... In my mind
>>> there is the following theoretical game:
>
>[Event "Test game for Andreas"]
>[Site "Virtually in my head"]
>[Date "2003.06.17"]
>[White "Left part of my head v31"]
>[Black "Right part of my head v31"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[TimeControl "endless"]
>1. h3 h6 2. Rh2 Rh7 3. Rh1 Rh8 {in fact this is the first repetition, because
>of changed castling rights, Quark would think that it is NO repetition}
>4. Rh2 Rh7 5. Rh1 Rh8 6. Rh2 Rh7 7. Rh1 Rh8 1/2-1/2 {draw it would take Quark
>one repetition more to see that - of course I see no importance in this
>example, I have no problems with draws announced a bit to late if they are
>anyway correct - but I have problems with draws that are announced to early}
>
>>> After testing that with other GUIs (e.g. ChessBase) I found out that they do
>>> also not claim this as a draw after 7. ... Rh8 -> In my opinion this IS
>>> according to the rules draw, but the GUIs only claim draw after a
>>> theoretical 8. Rh2 Rh7... So who is right ?
>
>> The position after 7... Rh8 can be claimed as a draw according to the rules.
>> Even 6... Rh7 leads to a three-fold repetition (same position as after 2... Rh7
>> and 4... Rh7, both sides have lost the right to castle kingside). If the
>> programs or GUI are setted up to claim a draw as soon as allowed by the rules,
>> then there is something wrong somewhere if they do not after 6... Rh7
>
>when I am thinking about that game and playing on a board, I think it should be
>already claimed as a draw after 5. ... Rh8 ! Because it is the same position
>then after 1. ... h7 and 3. ... Rh8... I think that the castle rights do not
>play any role here, because afaik the rule goes a bit like this: Three fold
>repetition can be declared when a position occurs the third time with the same
>side to move and the same possible move - because after 1. ... h7 there is no
>draw possible, the possition after 5. ... Rh8 IS the same... What do you think ?
>
>Greets, Thomas
Hallo Thomas!
die Stellung nach 1... h6 ist nicht die gleiche als die Stellungen nach 3... Rh8
und 5... Rh8, da sich die Rochaderechte durch die Züge 2. Rh2 Rh7 verändert
haben. Nach 5... Rh8 gibt es immer noch keine dreifache Wiederholung (nur eine
zweifache), es ist noch kein Remis nach den Regeln.
José.
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