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Subject: Re: Draw claims

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:38:00 06/17/03

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On June 17, 2003 at 13:14:46, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Bob,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> 9.2  The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when
>>> the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by sequential
>>> repetition of moves)
>>>
>>> a) is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and
>>> declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move, or
>>>
>>> b) has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move.
>>>
>>> Positions as in (a) and (b) are considered the same, if the same player has the
>>> move, pieces of the same kind and colour occupy the same squares, and the
>>> possible moves of all the pieces of both players are the same.
>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>>
>>>so far it would mean that I am right...
>
>>How.  Re-read (b).  Possible moves are the same.  But castling is not possible
>>in one.  So how can that mean you are "right"???
>
>sorry, excuse my bad english, but the above part that was what I remember about
>castling rules, I am not an organized chess player, I just play it for fun, so I
>am definitely not too competent in rules... so keep patience... -> in my opinion
>up to here I would have been right, because the "possible moves of all pieces of
>both players are the same" - Castlings are not possible, NOT in this position...

OK... I see your confusion.  I've never seen the rule interpreted that way,
although apparently it has happened for the rule to be changed to explicitly
mention castling status...



>But seems that those which wrote the rules have had equal thoughts then I and
>for that they added the following chapter to stop confusion...
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Positions are not the same if a pawn that could have been captured en
>>> passant can no longer be captured or if the right to castle has been
>>> changed temporarily or permanently
>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>>> but the next one declares that I am wrong... so all fine with me, because
>>> Quark is doing it correctly... :)
>
>so can you tell me now what I where my fault is in my statemant - as a concluson
>I DID write that I am wrong... -> or was it you who did not read the entire
>posting ?
>
>Greets, Thomas



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