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Subject: Re: Does Anyone Here Have Proof That ChessBase Advertised Junior 8 Came With

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 06:21:47 06/18/03

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What has Chessbase offered you yet? What would you think would be appropriate?

regards Joachim

On June 18, 2003 at 07:43:26, Mike Hood wrote:

>On June 17, 2003 at 19:48:07, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>Extra Engines...IE Junior XY etc.? (I don't mean Deep Junior 8)
>>
>>I contacted ChessBase, and they claim there is no evidence that they sold Junior
>>8 with the extra Junior Engines.
>>
>>Can someone here supply the proof? I'm afraid I never copied their orginal
>>advertisement. Nor do I have a copy of Junior 8 which mentions the extra engines
>>on the cover. The manual isn't of much help either as it says Junior 8 comes
>>with extra engines but not which engines...sigh..
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Terry
>
>Terry... I've read the various threads coming from your original post, and it
>seems that there is some evidence that Chessbase that promised two engines with
>Junior 8. The clearest evidence is the information on the cover of the product,
>which would mislead a buyer who picked it up off the shelf. This evidence may or
>may not be sufficient to stand up in a court of law... don't ask me for my
>opinion, I'm not a lawyer.
>
>On the other hand, it's obvious to anyone who knows the subject matter that
>Chessbase blundered. Junior 8 is a single processor program, but "the original
>engine that played in the Kasparov match" is a multi-processor engine. This
>wasn't deliberate deception by Chessbase, they slipped up.
>
>So what are you going to do? Sue them? Think of the possible outcomes:
>
>1. You lose the case: you'll be severely out of pocket because of the legal
>fees.
>
>2. You win the case: you may still be out of pocket because of the legal fees,
>but:
>
>2a. You might be allowed to return the program and get your money back.
>2b. Chessbase might be forced to give you a free copy of the Deep Junior engine
>that played against Kasparov.
>
>So, what's the point? Isn't it better to talk reasonably to Chessbase and make
>some sort of a "gentleman's agreement"? I bought Junior 8, I emailed Chessbase
>to ask why there was only one engine, and I got a reply admitting the mistake
>and saying "We'll have to do something about it, but we haven't worked out what
>to do yet". If you send a friendly email to Chessbase you'll get a friendly
>response. You say that Chessbase told you there was "no evidence that they sold
>Junior 8 with the extra Junior engines". I don't know what you wrote to
>Chessbase, Terry, but this sounds like a defensive reply to an unfriendly or
>demanding email.
>
>Let's give Chessbase some time... let's not put them under pressure. Let's see
>what they come up with.



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