Author: Uri Blass
Date: 21:22:38 06/18/03
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On June 18, 2003 at 22:59:49, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >On June 18, 2003 at 20:25:24, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 18, 2003 at 13:35:08, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >> >>>On June 17, 2003 at 20:44:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>>I'm not sure how Stobor would do vs. Crafty right now, as I haven't really >>>>>worked hard on my program for several years now, but Stobor has been stronger >>>>>than Crafty in the past so don't be so sure that Bob is more "clever" than me in >>>>>that regard. >>>>> >>>>>-Tom >>>> >>>> >>>>We only count reality, not dreams. >>>> >>>>:) >>> >>>Ha ha, that's a lame dream, to have a program stronger than Crafty. My dream is >>>to have a program stronger than Shredder. >>> >>>-Tom >> >> >>You have to pass crafty first, along the way. I'm knowledgable enough to know >>my program isn't stronger than Fritz, etc. I also know enough to know Stobor >>has _never_ been stronger than crafty, nor even as strong. Yes you might >>have won a game here and there. But pick any 10 consecutive games you want. >> >>ICC has only 4 such games in its database. Crafty won two and drew two. No >>losses. >> >>I would not write checks _my_ program can't cash. You shouldn't either. > >10 consecutive games? Okay. How about games 11 to 20 when you do a "search >crafty kerrigan" on ICC? I scored 55%. > >Funny thing is, my hardware has always been much slower than yours, too. > >Should I also say something inane about check cashing? > >-Tom Games on ICC cannot prove that program X is better than program Y. It is possible that the programmer of one of the programs played with buggy version in some games and the games helped him to detect the bug. Games on ICC are usually not part of the games that are considered as important tournamets so programmers may care less not to have buggy versions. I think that it may be more interesting if there was a date when latest public Stobor could do better than latest public Crafty(not only in matches between it and crafty but also against other opponents). I did a search for stobor in the winboard forum and the result that I fins are not impressive Some links that I found suggest difference of more than 200 elo. Maybe Stobor is handicapped by Fritz gui in part of the lists(I do not know). http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/28315.htm http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/33332.htm http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/38196.htm If you are interested to compare your program with Crafty on equal hardware then you can send a private winboard version of Stobor to Leo at 40/40 time control(deadline for new entries for the next edition is 1.8) http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/ Crafty is playing there and it got the 5th place in the last tournament see http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/his3rdedition.html It will probably have more problems in the next tournaments because of opponents like Deep sjeng and Chessmaster9000 that will also play. Uri
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