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Subject: Re: This Is Not Satisfactory, Re; Junior 8...Please Read Amir Ban! Thank You

Author: Rex

Date: 04:19:20 06/19/03

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Then complain on a BUSINESS message board and not this one.  I am sure the
Better Business Bureau would have a message board and I know there are a few
alt.business message boards that would gladly accept your story.


On June 19, 2003 at 07:13:27, Chuck wrote:

>On June 19, 2003 at 06:42:57, Rex wrote:
>
>>This extra engine thing is getting old.  PLEASE SUCK IT UP and get over it.  I
>>swear this sounds like my 5yr old begging for a promised second cookie and never
>>yet received it.
>>
>>I have the cheese and you have the wine.  Lets have a WINE party..
>>
>>
>
>Sometimes it takes a lot of noise to make a business step in line. PEOPLE SHOULD
>NOT HAVE TO "SUCK IT UP" BECAUSE A COMPANY DOES NOT DELIVER ON IT'S PROMISE.
>
>I see a claim in an ad as something the company considers a significant selling
>point because there are many other things they could have mentioned and did not.
>If the public cannot force a company to step in line when it's practice runs
>foul then the consumer market is in a lot of trouble.
>
>>
>>On June 19, 2003 at 04:39:12, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>Hello Terry,
>>>thanks for your mail.
>>>We did of course immediately correct the mistake in our accouncnemnt on
>>>www.chessbase.com. Fortunately we also managed to correct this in time for our
>>>adverts in the European chess magazines.
>>>As I wrote in my preivous mail there is simply no way to provide you with the
>>>engine that is mentioned on your DVD boox because it does not exist. So, we can
>>>only bag your pardon for this mistake. After all we are all only humans.
>>>
>>>Yours sincerely,
>>>Steffen Giehring
>>>http://www.chessbase.de http://www.chessbase.com
>>>ChessBase GmbH, Mexikoring 35, 22297 Hamburg
>>>(++49)(40)63 90 60 10
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>Von: Terry McCracken [mailto:nomad@easyfocus.com]
>>>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Juni 2003 18:17
>>>An: Steffen Giehring (ChessBase)
>>>Betreff: Hello Steffen, Can We Work Out An Agreement?
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Steffen,
>>>
>>>Would you be so kind as to offer a solution for this misunderstanding? I feel
>>>ChessBase should correct
>>>their mistake. It's good business to do so, and will
>>>only discourage customers if ChessBase doesn't
>>>compensate them in some way.
>>>
>>>Awaiting your reply. Thank You.
>>>
>>>Sincere Regards,
>>> Terry McCracken
>>>
>>>P.S.
>>>
>>>I'm not blaming you and realize you must be flooded with
>>>complaints, but ChessBase should IMO correct this rather
>>>glaring error, for it's cutomer base, it's the right thing to do.
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Steffen Giehring (ChessBase)
>>>To: Terry McCracken
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:01 AM
>>>Subject: AW: I've Sent This Letter To Support, I'm Sending You A Copy...
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear chess friend,
>>>
>>>many thanks for your mail.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately there is a mistake in the text of the Junior8 DVD box.
>>>
>>>The Junior engine that played Kasparov in February was a version for
>>>multiprocessor systems only. In fact there is simply no single processor version
>>>of that multiprocessor engine. That's why the engine that played Kasparov is
>>>included on the DeepJunior8 CD-ROM only but not on the standard Junior8 CD.
>>>
>>>We bag your pardon for that mistake. Since there simply is no single processor
>>>version of that engine we will not be able to provide you with a fix/upgrade.
>>>
>>>Many thanks for your understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yours sincerely,
>>>Steffen Giehring
>>>http://www.chessbase.com
>>>ChessBase GmbH, Mexikoring 35, 22297 Hamburg
>>>(++49)(40)63 90 60 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>Von: Terry McCracken [mailto:nomad@easyfocus.com]
>>>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Juni 2003 04:13
>>>An: ChessBase GmbH
>>>Betreff: I've Sent This Letter To Support, I'm Sending You A Copy...
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Again Hans,
>>>
>>>I have the proof that Junior 8 was advertised with Extra Junior Engines, at
>>>least one extra engine from the match!
>>>
>>>Two URL's are advertisments still up and one is a review on a commercial chess
>>>software site.
>>>
>>>http://www.chess4less.com/2-junior8.htm
>>>
>>>http://www.chesscenter.com/software2003.html
>>>
>>>http://www.bcmchess.co.uk/junior8.html
>>>
>>>If ChessBase would honor  it's original statements, explaining Junior 8 came
>>>with two chess engines rather
>>>than one, I'd greatly appreciate it.
>>>
>>>I've been doing business with you for awhile and have 9 ChessBase Programmes, 5
>>>of which I bought from ChessBase directly. I want to continue doing business
>>>with you, and I also want you to honor your original advertisments.
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>> Terry McCracken
>>>
>>>
>>>Please honor your original advertisments as I was mislead by advertising on your
>>>site before you modified it, in my purchasing decision of Junior 8.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>> Terry McCracken
>>>
>>>===============================================================================
>>>
>>>As it stands it doesn't look like ChessBase will help.
>>>
>>>Amir if you read this please give us your opinion.
>>>We know it's _not_ your fault, it's ChessBase's,
>>>but maybe you will listen...I hope so.
>>>
>>>There must be a better solution...maybe a patch for Junior 8 to recieve the
>>>extra engines in single processor formats?
>>>
>>>I think it's a good idea, but I'd like to hear from you!
>>>I think other buyers would like you to give your take on all this as well.
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>> Terry McCracken



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